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Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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What's the point in pardoning dead people?

Lots of people seemed to appreciate Alan Turing (and lots of other people) being pardoned for something that should never have been a crime in the first place. Basically, it's a very concrete sign of how we want our society to be now.

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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Can a government today even issue a pardon for crimes alleged by a government of 1302? It’s not even the same institution.

Are you sure? Italy has a lot of historical continuity. If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). IIRC the government of Florence still works from the buildings of the Uffizi.

I was disappointed to learn the title of pontifex maximus wasn’t continuous from the Roman era. I mean, if we need an intercalary month, I can’t think of anyone better than Pope Francis to decide that.

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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Seriously, why bother? There are historical wrongs that continue to affect people today, but in this case that's been damped out by time.

Because it matters to his descendants?

But do they really have standing?

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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post #21

What's the point in pardoning dead people?

Lots of people seemed to appreciate Alan Turing (and lots of other people) being pardoned for something that should never have been a crime in the first place. Basically, it's a very concrete sign of how we want our society to be now.

i.e. rewriting history.

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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post #12

Seriously, why bother? There are historical wrongs that continue to affect people today, but in this case that's been damped out by time.

Because it matters to his descendants?

After 600 years I would hope it’s below these peoples’ noise floor.

Then again I’m more interested in my reputation regarding things I have done rather than things someone else did.

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people seemed to appreciate Alan Turing (and lots of other people) being pardoned for something that should never have been a crime in the first place. Basically, it's a very concrete sign of how we want our society to be now.

i.e. rewriting history.

history is the multiple re-writings of our understanding actual events, in as much as we can understand them

Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction

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1302 to today, that's 36 generations. 2 to the 36th means his descendants today have 1 / 70,000,000,000 of his genetic contribution. I'd say they don't have legal standing.

You're forgetting to double count for "incest".

This was flagged, but I think mistakenly by people who think you're joking or taking a dig. The point is there weren't 70,000,000,000 people alive in Italy back then (or, you know, anywhere ever), so it is very likely that Dante shows up in multiple branches of this person's ancestry.
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