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I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

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Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

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Post by londons_explore »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #28

> In the case of Wayland, the “vague authority” are a bunch of volunteers who have devoted tens of thousands of hours of their free time towards making free shit for you. That does not mean anyone is under an obligation to like it. > Maybe Wayland doesn’t work for your precious use-case. More likely, it does work, and you swallowed some propaganda based on an assumption which might have been correct 7 years ago. If y…

Every 6 months I try switching to Wayland. I spend an hour or so using it for regular desktop gnome use and fixing minor bugs (ie. The kind I can fix with a config tweak). I then switch back again because it just isn't there yet.

Recent issues:

* The brightness control for my screen doesn't work with it.

* The mouse sometimes lags

* Graphical corruption in Chromium when on webgl sites.

* Blank screen after resume from hibernate.

* Seems to randomly freeze forever sometimes after an OOM killer run.

* Chromecast wouldn't work

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

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Post by uncledave »

Oh ffs I’m quite frankly fed up of gargling alpha grade crap from people forcing it down my throats. I don’t have to drink it and praise it if it doesn’t work.

When exactly on Linux my NVidia 1660 GTX will do fractional scaling at 150% so a 27” 4K monitor is usable, doesn’t crap out every two minutes and actually ships with some distributions and importantly actually stays working every time I update it, I will stop berating it. This has been promised forever and it’s still a pile of random things I have to hack around and then I barely works.

Until then I’m a Mac and Windows desktop user.

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

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Post by DiabloD3 »

himinlomax wrote: post #15

Well I wish I could use it, but it simply does not let me run any Steam games at this point.

This is a common misconception, thank you for bringing it up.

Wayland and modern post-KMS Xorg do not control your hardware, and have no real ability to do anything with 3D acceleration outside of what Mesa/DRI/DRM/KMS grant them the permission to do. Wayland and Xorg both call the same APIs provided by them, and call them effectively the same way.

The side effect of this is fbcon can be ran on modern "all shader/no fixed function" hardware without special hacks and I can run a 3D accelerated program on the console with no X or Wayland running... which also, by extension, makes X and Wayland both just simple normal programs that don't particularly do anything special.

If you can't run Steam games, this either means Proton (or the native Linux binary of that game, for the few that have them) has a bug that has nothing to do with Wayland, or your system isn't setup correctly (this happens most often if you accidentally install an Nvidia GPU and use binary drivers).

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

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Post by varbhat »

I am neither fond of Xorg nor Wayland. I have used both and I see shortcomings of both.

Xorg is Overly Bloated/Done without giving much importance to security.

On the other hand, Wayland is technically superior , might be more secure than Xorg. But, it's feature parity doesn't match with that of Xorg.

Now,i don't think those features must be pushed into Wayland itself. i don't know but something desktop oriented Wayland implementation with those missing pieces filled would be good idea.

But, will security suffer? Maybe. For example, Wayland is said to be secure because window can't see other windows. But, necessity arose due to requirement of Screen Recording so some API was created to access The Screen. So, didn't it make that security claim irrelevant because each window can access the screen? i think it's still not thought out properly.

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

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Post by gspr »

hprotagonist wrote: post #77
Shared404 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sway is literally "i3, but Wayland". It is a drop in replacement.

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/Differences-from-i3 and so thoroughly documented! /s

> and so thoroughly documented! /s

Why is this sarcasm? I've rarely seen a young free software project even come close to the level of documentation of Sway! Have you tried `man 5 sway` yet?

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

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Post by ilaksh »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #28

> In the case of Wayland, the “vague authority” are a bunch of volunteers who have devoted tens of thousands of hours of their free time towards making free shit for you. That does not mean anyone is under an obligation to like it. > Maybe Wayland doesn’t work for your precious use-case. More likely, it does work, and you swallowed some propaganda based on an assumption which might have been correct 7 years ago. If y…

How does this work? https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/pull/2484

Is it just basically a backdoor going through the hardware?

Is there some way that a compositor works with Linux security so that you need a special privilege or root or something in order to record the screen?

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

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Post by davidcollantes »

I agree with mostly everything Drew wrote, yet these two things are antagonistic to the main sentiment of the post, in my opinion (English isn’t my mother tongue, and I might have gotten things wrong):

> […] just to maintain that broken pile of shit.

> […] If you do know what you’re doing, though, you’ll soon realize you want nothing to do with that shitty codebase.

If it is a "broken pile of shit," and a "shitty codebase," wouldn’t the anti-Wayland be right? I do not use Linux on the desktop.

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