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Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

grishka wrote: post #54
ArmandGrillet wrote: post #13

Wow, those encouragements are very weak. "Get ads that are more personalized", "Support businesses that rely on ads to reach customers": why would I support businesses relying on that when only 1 out of 5 ads in my feed is not garbage? These encouragements make me think that Facebook seems to believe that their ads are useful, which is a bit insane from a user perspective.

Have you ever talked to someone who works in adtech? They do sincerely believe that ads are helpful to people.

Complaining about advertising is like complaining about money. Advertising is inevitable in any economy.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by cmorgan31 »

meekrohprocess wrote: post #49
randmeerkat wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone has options. I deleted FB years ago. No one actually needs FB.

I agree in principle, and so did I, but there's no denying that it puts a major crimp on your social life. It's wrong that people are forced to decide between accepting predatory terms or losing touch with friendly acquaintances. Also, if you own a small business, there's a real chance that you'd rely on Facebook for a significant portion of your business, because without a presence on their platforms you had may as…

Yes, valid points. Also don't think they should hold social interactions hostage in an effort to not lose their grip on selling your attention span. If their product is worth paying for or the individuals in question are too cheap to pay for it without using ads then so be it. Let them monetize on ads, but I don't expect anyone to give a shit about small businesses profiting off our data. I didn't agree to support them by selling my data so I don't feel any emotional attachment to their situation.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by ska »

randmeerkat wrote: post #34
meekrohprocess wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People like you and I didn't decide that it was what we wanted. We just have no other options, because the companies which impose the terms aggressively snuff out or buy up their competition. I would argue that people are accepting these terms under duress; "consent" is the wrong word. The market believes that Facebook et al will be able to continue enforcing their will unilaterally, and that is good for the companie…

Everyone has options. I deleted FB years ago. No one actually needs FB.

> No one actually needs FB.

No one actually needs a car either. Or to eat industrially produced food. Or etc. etc.

"Nobody actually needs X" where X is a thing that empirically a huge percentage of people do, is I suspect never a compelling argument.

edit: bordercases brings up a good point, I picked particularly entrenched/difficult areas for examples but it wasn't necessary.

My point was more about the futility of observing a common behavior and rejecting it superficially, so perhaps I should have used "Nobody needs a smart phone" or "No family of 4 needs a >2000sq/ft house" or the like as examples.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by kin »

hourislate wrote: post #32

Do people who use facebook actually care about privacy? I can't understand why any user would want to be targeted by tailored ads or any ads for that matter? It's psychological warfare with the goal of separating you from your money. Stop spending, you'll realize you don't need all that shit they try to peddle. Less is more...

Call me weird but if I had ads at all, I prefer that they be relevant. I hate being shown something that I have zero interest for. I actually really enjoy when a targeted ad is spot on at showing me something that I would want. I can sympathize with the idea that it is psychological warfare and I think I'd rather pay for an ad-free experience over seeing irrelevant ads.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by grishka »

metalliqaz wrote: post #78
grishka wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disabling JS for that site helps and most news websites don't make any good use of it anyway.

do you use a plugin for that?

Yes, this one: https://github.com/mtimkovich/one-click-javascript-toggle

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by MonAlternatiu »

umvi wrote: post #67
meekrohprocess wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree in principle, and so did I, but there's no denying that it puts a major crimp on your social life. It's wrong that people are forced to decide between accepting predatory terms or losing touch with friendly acquaintances. Also, if you own a small business, there's a real chance that you'd rely on Facebook for a significant portion of your business, because without a presence on their platforms you had may as…

> but there's no denying that it puts a major crimp on your social life In what way? Social lives existed before 2008 when FB went mainstream. I don't have a FB anymore, and I still text my friends for get-togethers.

A lot of my friends use social media to stay in touch. Not being on social media would keep me out of the loop, which is not desirable. I try to restrict its usage as much as possible though.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by vaduz »

flavius29663 wrote: post #58
erentz wrote: post #18

What would happen if legislation were passed to ban all tracking, across the board? Perhaps also inclusive of limits on targeted advertising also (to reduce the incentive to gather personal data). It seems this kind of universal disarmament (so to speak) still leaves FB in the same dominant position from an advertising perspective. It has the same huge audience, and it’s advertising product is the same as everyone el…

I have a different idea other than banning: make companies pay a tax on each bit of user information they hold.

Great idea! It means that the company gets to do the tracking as much as it wants as long as it shares some of these profits with the government, and as a bonus gets to enjoy a reasonably confidence that any initiative to futher enhance privacy will be quashed in a hurry - with bipartisan support, too, especially in the current tax revenue slump thanks to the ongoing pandemic. /s

The word you were probably looking for is fines, but they would have to be punitive and extraordinarily risky to stop the practice...

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