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Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by broknbottle »

flavius29663 wrote: post #58
erentz wrote: post #18

What would happen if legislation were passed to ban all tracking, across the board? Perhaps also inclusive of limits on targeted advertising also (to reduce the incentive to gather personal data). It seems this kind of universal disarmament (so to speak) still leaves FB in the same dominant position from an advertising perspective. It has the same huge audience, and it’s advertising product is the same as everyone el…

I have a different idea other than banning: make companies pay a tax on each bit of user information they hold.

Tax, how about royalties to the user. They use that data to advertise to other users within a family or circle. It’s data about us, why shouldn’t they have to pay a royalty to users and get our permissions beforehand when they want to utilize the data in different ways.

We have different licenses for code and projects. Why not have something similar for user data / metadata

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by dTal »

randmeerkat wrote: post #34
meekrohprocess wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People like you and I didn't decide that it was what we wanted. We just have no other options, because the companies which impose the terms aggressively snuff out or buy up their competition. I would argue that people are accepting these terms under duress; "consent" is the wrong word. The market believes that Facebook et al will be able to continue enforcing their will unilaterally, and that is good for the companie…

Everyone has options. I deleted FB years ago. No one actually needs FB.

It's very narrow-minded to assume that because you don't need Facebook, no one does. Facebook clearly provides some value, or no one would use it at all. Some people can't afford not to take advantage of that value. You can't tell a small business "don't use Facebook for social media outreach, it's evil and monopolistic" when the alternative is being outcompeted by those who do.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by ryanianian »

Spivak wrote: post #53
naiveai wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So that the ads are more personalized. I know this sounds weird, but if I'm going to get ads anyway, I'd like them to potentially be products I'm going to maybe have a use for and might make my life easier. I get the privacy implications, but asking "why would anyone agree to this" is kind of narrow-minded.

I want personalized ads when I’m searching for product . I really don’t get the fetishization of sticking ads next to unrelated content. Like I get the whole brand mindshare aspect but that’s not exactly a small-business type of ad campaign. Like Jesus. If a company had good ad targeting I would actually pay to access it and use it as my product search. It’s remarkably difficult given the type of product you want to…

The Wire Cutter (NYTimes) is doing this more and more and iirc they're quite profitable in doing it. They find the "best" products and give you referral links to buy them.

Sometimes your site searches will show lists of things ("looking for a jacket? see our list of the best cold-weather gear"). This isn't a dark pattern. It's not targeting you the individual, it's targeting you the person who just explicitly showed intent to buy X. It's really how buying online would ideally work in all scenarios.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

idreyn wrote: post #69
notyourwork wrote: post #3

Why would anyone agree to this? I don’t see a benefit to letting Facebook or any company track me across the internet. When did we ever decide this was what consumers wanted? Every time this topic comes up I check Facebooks stock price and realize how detached people are from facebooks revenue driven by the advertisement market.

I'm a simple man -- if I see a button with a primary intent color standing between me and my content I've been conditioned to press it, often before I realize what I'm doing or reading the accompanying text. Probably tens of millions of people will do the same here.

Remember though that this doesn't replace Apple's prompt!

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by retrac »

notyourwork wrote: post #3

Why would anyone agree to this? I don’t see a benefit to letting Facebook or any company track me across the internet. When did we ever decide this was what consumers wanted? Every time this topic comes up I check Facebooks stock price and realize how detached people are from facebooks revenue driven by the advertisement market.

Why would anyone ever agree to the terms in most software EULAs?

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

retrac wrote: post #75
notyourwork wrote: post #3

Why would anyone agree to this? I don’t see a benefit to letting Facebook or any company track me across the internet. When did we ever decide this was what consumers wanted? Every time this topic comes up I check Facebooks stock price and realize how detached people are from facebooks revenue driven by the advertisement market.

Why would anyone ever agree to the terms in most software EULAs?

Because otherwise you can't use the software?

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by Illniyar »

idreyn wrote: post #69
notyourwork wrote: post #3

Why would anyone agree to this? I don’t see a benefit to letting Facebook or any company track me across the internet. When did we ever decide this was what consumers wanted? Every time this topic comes up I check Facebooks stock price and realize how detached people are from facebooks revenue driven by the advertisement market.

I'm a simple man -- if I see a button with a primary intent color standing between me and my content I've been conditioned to press it, often before I realize what I'm doing or reading the accompanying text. Probably tens of millions of people will do the same here.

I assume the button will prompt a system alert of some kind, no?

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by metalliqaz »

grishka wrote: post #60
United857 wrote: post #23

Not unique to FB, these days it seems every news site has (at least) a nag popup if a ad blocker is detected, with many having a hard block on content.

Disabling JS for that site helps and most news websites don't make any good use of it anyway.

do you use a plugin for that?

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Post by fabatka »

notyourwork wrote: post #3

Why would anyone agree to this? I don’t see a benefit to letting Facebook or any company track me across the internet. When did we ever decide this was what consumers wanted? Every time this topic comes up I check Facebooks stock price and realize how detached people are from facebooks revenue driven by the advertisement market.

Why would anyone read this and think about the implications? I may be overly pessimistic, but I think the average user just sees this modal as a potential obstacle between him/her and the content their brain tells them to consume. I know my first instinct would be to go on the path that minimizes the risk that I don't get to do the things I set out to do.
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