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Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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It will probably work itself out in the long term though and people will return to nominal levels of risk tolerance. E.g. China has reopened wet markets even though we now know it is hugely dangerous to the world. Sigh

"Wet markets" are just farmers' markets.

" wet markets and wildlife markets aren’t synonymous, though they’re often used interchangeably"

from https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/4/15/21219222/corona...

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Wet markets" are just farmers' markets Well...I guess their definition of farm animals is considerably broader than ours...:-)

Yes, different people's definitions of things vary based on where they are.

It does not mean China should resume live wild animals trade.

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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post #11

There's a difference between being exposed to dirt and being exposed to viral diseases, though. Playing outside in the leaves will likely trigger healthy immune responses. Contracting COVID-19 may lead to long term health issues.

One of the known things is that babies who get seriously sick somewhere in their first year have a better immune system for life. So yes, failing to be exposed to viral diseases can be bad for you.

It's really a balance though. Some of those viral diseases could have permanent consequences that outweigh the benefit of a stronger immune system. For example, Polio could leave you crippled, or Mumps could leave a boy with sterility.

Do you have a link to the data for the claim about it being a serious illness that causes a better immune system? My understanding has been that exposure to a variety of pathogens and minor illnesses would be sufficient.

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

#24

It will probably work itself out in the long term though and people will return to nominal levels of risk tolerance. E.g. China has reopened wet markets even though we now know it is hugely dangerous to the world. Sigh

I can see it around me already.

There will be most likely no changes to how we used to do stuff.

I, for one, wouldn't mind screens in the shops and some protection for the cashiers. Its probably the biggest factor for spreading flu, since they are huge point of contact.

But it won't happen. The moment we beat the covid, everyone will rush to strip and burn anything that is remotely related to covid.

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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post #11

There's a difference between being exposed to dirt and being exposed to viral diseases, though. Playing outside in the leaves will likely trigger healthy immune responses. Contracting COVID-19 may lead to long term health issues.

One of the known things is that babies who get seriously sick somewhere in their first year have a better immune system for life. So yes, failing to be exposed to viral diseases can be bad for you.

Are you sure you aren't falling for survivor bias?

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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post #11

There's a difference between being exposed to dirt and being exposed to viral diseases, though. Playing outside in the leaves will likely trigger healthy immune responses. Contracting COVID-19 may lead to long term health issues.

One of the known things is that babies who get seriously sick somewhere in their first year have a better immune system for life. So yes, failing to be exposed to viral diseases can be bad for you.

Morbid but this sounds like burn-in (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn-in)

All complex systems, us included, have bathtub curves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve)

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

#27

It will probably work itself out in the long term though and people will return to nominal levels of risk tolerance. E.g. China has reopened wet markets even though we now know it is hugely dangerous to the world. Sigh

I can see it around me already. There will be most likely no changes to how we used to do stuff. I, for one, wouldn't mind screens in the shops and some protection for the cashiers. Its probably the biggest factor for spreading flu, since they are huge point of contact. But it won't happen. The moment we beat the covid, everyone will rush to strip and burn anything that is remotely related to covid.

"The moment we beat the covid..."

I hope you're right, but I feel like that's overly optimistic.

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

#28

It will probably work itself out in the long term though and people will return to nominal levels of risk tolerance. E.g. China has reopened wet markets even though we now know it is hugely dangerous to the world. Sigh

Bad news for you, every contact to animals bears the risk for new diseases.

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

#29

There's a difference between being exposed to dirt and being exposed to viral diseases, though. Playing outside in the leaves will likely trigger healthy immune responses. Contracting COVID-19 may lead to long term health issues.

how do you supposed herd immunity develops without low level exposure to viruses and organisms (which is what's in the dirt)? it's quite likely we've prolonged the pandemic by excessively curtailing exposure, which in turn dampens in vivo immune response necessary for natural herd immunity in the population.

the 1918 flu, which killed 10-20% of the infected, was worthy of that kind of avoidance response, not this virus that kills much less than 1% (and maims far fewer, contrary to your claim). the tiresome messaging (fear strangers and non-conformists; trust our "science", not theirs) of politicians and sympathetic media played this pandemic for maximum political & economic gain, not minimizing impact. it's disgusting.

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Wet markets" are just farmers' markets.

" wet markets and wildlife markets aren’t synonymous, though they’re often used interchangeably" from https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/4/15/21219222/corona...

"A wet market (also called a public market or a traditional market) is a marketplace selling fresh meat, fish, produce, and other perishable goods as distinguished from "dry markets" that sell durable goods such as fabric and electronics"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_market

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