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Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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There's a difference between being exposed to dirt and being exposed to viral diseases, though. Playing outside in the leaves will likely trigger healthy immune responses. Contracting COVID-19 may lead to long term health issues.

One of the known things is that babies who get seriously sick somewhere in their first year have a better immune system for life. So yes, failing to be exposed to viral diseases can be bad for you.

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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Yet another news article that doesn't link the damn paper.

"The hygiene hypothesis, the COVID pandemic, and consequences for the human microbiome"

> This pandemic intersects with a decades-long decline in microbial diversity and ancestral microbes due to hygiene, antibiotics, and urban living (the hygiene hypothesis). High-risk groups succumbing to COVID-19 include those with preexisting conditions, such as diabetes and obesity, which are also associated with microbiome abnormalities. Current pandemic control measures and practices will have broad, uneven, and potentially long-term effects for the human microbiome across the planet, given the implementation of physical separation, extensive hygiene, travel barriers, and other measures that influence overall microbial loss and inability for reinoculation. Although much remains uncertain or unknown about the virus and its consequences, implementing pandemic control practices could significantly affect the microbiome.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/6/e2010217118

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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Does anyone have a link to the actual paper cited? There's nothing in the article indicating a title or link.

The Ottawa Citizen said the paper was published in "the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Science in the U.S." and listed one of the authors as "Brett Finlay"

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/6/e2010217118

It has a heading "PERSPECTIVE" -- is that like an op-ed for science?

Title: The hygiene hypothesis, the COVID pandemic, and consequences for the human microbiome

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Wet markets" are just farmers' markets.

> "Wet markets" are just farmers' markets Well...I guess their definition of farm animals is considerably broader than ours...:-)

Yes, different people's definitions of things vary based on where they are.

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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It will probably work itself out in the long term though and people will return to nominal levels of risk tolerance. E.g. China has reopened wet markets even though we now know it is hugely dangerous to the world. Sigh

Whole Foods is a wet market by definition.

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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There's a difference between being exposed to dirt and being exposed to viral diseases, though. Playing outside in the leaves will likely trigger healthy immune responses. Contracting COVID-19 may lead to long term health issues.

I think the hypothesis is that they aren't exposed to as many pathogens in general (due to increased sanitation/attention to cleanliness), not that the negative effects will be due to no exposure to covid (which doesn't appear very serious for infants in any case).

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Wet markets" are just farmers' markets.

... that sell wild caught animals, and usually don’t have a domesticated counterpart.

I think the issue would be with bush meat, not with markets that carry non dry goods? Wet markets on the whole seem pretty innocuous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whbyuy2nHBg

Re: Scientists fear pandemic's 'hyper hygiene' could have long-term health impacts

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Wet markets" are just farmers' markets.

... that sell wild caught animals, and usually don’t have a domesticated counterpart.

I've definitely seen farmers markets sell wild caught fish in the US.
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