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Spotify patent would suggest songs based on users' emotions

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Re: Spotify patent would suggest songs based on users' emotions

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Post by permo-w »

corobo wrote: post #158
IneffablePigeon wrote: post #113

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I've given up even wanting extra features, I just want them to fix the glaring bugs they've had for years. My current favourites: - if you sort a playlist you're playing, then click the album art to find the currently playing song, it will skip to the position of the track in the _unsorted_ list - playlists over a certain length just won't play via Spotify Connect. There's a couple of playlists I just can't play on m…

The thing they have that lets you change device within the app was absolutely flawless for me until a few months ago I'd be happy with them just not breaking the things that work.

or removing their best features. You used to be able to long press on a song and it would play the hook of the song. It was a great way to get the general feel of a playlist. They randomly removed it 3 or 4 years ago because supposedly no one used it

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Post by arrosenberg »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #124
arrosenberg wrote: post #91

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> If you can't build an alternative to Service X, you must start teaching yourself immediately until you are able to do it. How are you going to teach yourself to acquire music licensing agreements that still allow you to run a profitable service at scale? Given the money at stake and the number of people who could technically build such a service, what makes you believe that the problem is a lack of willpower or kno…

scale is not needed, except wrt know.how of setup profit not needed, only sustainability, is cheap

I doubt you'll be able to afford the UMG catalog with a small, sustainable setup, unfortunately.

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Post by numpad0 »

bombela wrote: post #90
numpad0 wrote: post #78

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Shops like you described for B2C markets existed in the past. All voted out by wallets.

I have trouble understanding how much cheaper it is to simply not sort objects into the right categories. I guess it must be significantly cheaper at scale. But it's such a waste of time for everybody it's infuriating.

Can't rule out this hypothesis that hiding information might be driving sales more than it would save expenditures, e.g. fear stimulating compulsive buying.

Re: Spotify patent would suggest songs based on users' emotions

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Post by jjj123 »

airstrike wrote: post #9
millstone wrote: post #7

Here is the referenced July paper [1]. Spotify has a very cool feature called Community [2] where users can talk about what they want Spotify to do. The most upvoted ideas are things like "change my username" or "filter explicit songs." My personal wishlist is a "don't play this song again" button [3] and native Homepod support [4]. The point is that users aren't asking for Spotify to interpret their emotional state,…

> The point is that users aren't asking for Spotify to interpret their emotional state, they just want rather basic features to work. Obligatory “If I’d asked customers what they want, they would have told me a faster horse.” People may not realize the value of this new feature because they have not even imagined it.

The “value” spotify is optimizing for is for itself, not for the user. The greatest trick tech companies have pulled is convincing us that their metrics are our metrics, when they’re often independent or at odds with each other.

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Re: Spotify patent would suggest songs based on users' emotions

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

arrosenberg wrote: post #162
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #124

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scale is not needed, except wrt know.how of setup profit not needed, only sustainability, is cheap

I doubt you'll be able to afford the UMG catalog with a small, sustainable setup, unfortunately.

so don,t. find an alternative. you,re a fucking hacker, it is your calling and duty.

Re: Spotify patent would suggest songs based on users' emotions

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Post by stayux »

Yet another automation that is not needed by the user. As a designer I get it - it is growth hacking. For some reason I think this will backfire, music is personal experience without clear emotional boundaries. Example: Current emotional state: Happy. Reason: Good memories with my girlfriend. Song: Hurt by NIN. If a song has emotional signature you cannot predict with certainty that it will be in unison with emotional state of the listener.

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Post by nitrogen »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #128
nitrogen wrote: post #111

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They might also make a cut off of dynamic sponsorship/ad segments within podcasts.

These were quite eery the first time I heard them. I was listening to an episode of Conan O'Brien's podcast from early 2019 and in the middle was an ad (read by Conan) for enjoying Miller lite at home during the covid quarantine. I spent a good 10 minutes trying to figure out what the hell had just happened until I found a page promoting Spotify's dynamic ad insertion for podcasts.

It's pretty annoying that I am paying for premium but still get dynamic ads inserted.

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Post by Kaze404 »

dntrkv wrote: post #156
Kaze404 wrote: post #133

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I find that streaming services push me to this weird loop that I never feel like I have to go out of my way to discover music, because it's always pushing me music the platform wants to promote. Of course they're not literally preventing me from doing anything, after all I can just search for the music I want, but often times I would find myself hours into music I've never heard of because the platform decided to pla…

You can disable that feature if you don’t like it. Personally, I like it especially when I have a short playlist but would like to continue playing music in a similar style.

I understand, but that's also part of the problem. Human beings will take the shortest path to "victory" even if they don't like it, and this is a situation that exemplifies it. I end up having a worse experience overall, but it's the path of least resistance so it ends up being the "superior" option.

I'm not proposing that Spotify should remove the feature entirely, it's just not the way I want to listen to music.

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Post by Shadonototro »

titzer wrote: post #45

Outrage now. In 2 years we'll have forgotten what it was like before every website in the world did this. In 5 years your toaster will have people personality and you will fucking hate it.

outrage on google and microsoft, instead of wasting your time on such basic use of computer IF logics

Re: Spotify patent would suggest songs based on users' emotions

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Post by ycan »

dlkf wrote: post #146
millstone wrote: post #7

Here is the referenced July paper [1]. Spotify has a very cool feature called Community [2] where users can talk about what they want Spotify to do. The most upvoted ideas are things like "change my username" or "filter explicit songs." My personal wishlist is a "don't play this song again" button [3] and native Homepod support [4]. The point is that users aren't asking for Spotify to interpret their emotional state,…

As a user, I agree that features which give users control and agency are preferable to increasingly opaque ML. But as business decisions go, this argument is terrible. The subset of users who bother to post new ideas to the community forum won't be large enough to affect Spotify's bottom line, and these users are almost certainly not representative of the average user (who probably doesn't realize the community featu…

Their way of placating the vocal minority is the Community portal, where those who are passionate enough to express ideas to improve Spotify (in a way that is useful for the users, and not necessarily for Spotify) are given a place to discuss their ideas and are promptly ignored.
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