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Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by baybal2 »

myanmarthrow wrote: post #10

Posting this throwaway because I don’t want my residency canceled. That should give you a hint that I might know way more than the armchair experts. Any article that talks about Myanmar and doesn’t include the word “China” all over it, is probably propaganda of some sort. I won’t go more into this and I will allow people to do their homework and make up their own minds about the good and the bad of all of it, but Mya…

> Sanctions won’t work. They will just punish businesses that were stupid enough to work with Americans and Europeans. At the end of the day, Myanmar is going to come out of this period looking more like China than like the British colony it was before — guess what that’s meant to prepare us for, in terms of the way the world looks by the end of this century?

Sanctions won’t work, but tanks would.

The entirety of Myanmar's army stock of modern armoured vehicles is less than 1000, with only 200 modern tanks in unknown state of readiness.

3-4 marine heavy brigades can easily stomp all tank battalions in Myanmar's disposal.

Just saying it to state that if US wants to do anything about that, it can do that effortlessly much like its Grenada, and Panama interventions.

Laos, and Vietnam will also be eager to trim ambitions of their bellicose neighbour.

The question is how Washington, and countries in the region are afraid the prospect of direct encounter with Chinese military which is rumoured to have a secret military treaty with Yangon.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by asimilator »

enriquto wrote: post #12
myanmarthrow wrote: post #10

Posting this throwaway because I don’t want my residency canceled. That should give you a hint that I might know way more than the armchair experts. Any article that talks about Myanmar and doesn’t include the word “China” all over it, is probably propaganda of some sort. I won’t go more into this and I will allow people to do their homework and make up their own minds about the good and the bad of all of it, but Mya…

> Myanmar is perhaps the first country the modern-West has totally lost from the grasp of its sphere of influence. Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. It can be factual, at least. But in case China is supporting the military overthrow of foreign governments over the world, then "the West" has zero moral ground to criticize, as we've been doing exactly that since, well, forever.

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Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

#33

Post by pessimizer »

rgbrenner wrote: post #30
pqs wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure the West has always been defending human rights in its interventions in other countries? We should separate the justification for meddling in another country's affairs with the root cause of the meddling.

Are you sure the West has always been defending human rights in its interventions in other countries? Thats not what I said. Re-read it? I don't know how you got that from what I wrote.

> The sides aren't the US vs China... the sides are those on the side of human rights and liberty and those that seek to deprive others of their rights.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

#34

Post by oefrha »

baybal2 wrote: post #31
myanmarthrow wrote: post #10

Posting this throwaway because I don’t want my residency canceled. That should give you a hint that I might know way more than the armchair experts. Any article that talks about Myanmar and doesn’t include the word “China” all over it, is probably propaganda of some sort. I won’t go more into this and I will allow people to do their homework and make up their own minds about the good and the bad of all of it, but Mya…

> Sanctions won’t work. They will just punish businesses that were stupid enough to work with Americans and Europeans. At the end of the day, Myanmar is going to come out of this period looking more like China than like the British colony it was before — guess what that’s meant to prepare us for, in terms of the way the world looks by the end of this century? Sanctions won’t work, but tanks would. The entirety of Mya…

The question I always ask when people suggest warfare, especially an invasion: will you personally fight in it?

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by enriquto »

rgbrenner wrote: post #28
enriquto wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Myanmar is perhaps the first country the modern-West has totally lost from the grasp of its sphere of influence. Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. It can be factual, at least. But in case China is supporting the military overthrow of foreign governments over the world, then "the West" has zero moral ground to criticize, as we've been doing exactly that since, well, forever.

What does "moral ground" mean? You mean, if I (a person that lives in the US) sees someone lose a human right, I should shut up, because some other guy who also lives in the US, who I've never met did something that I never approved of or endorsed? Like we should all be ok with an individual being victimized because anyone who wants to say something is guilty of something else by association... I guess the victims sh…

> You mean, if I (a person that lives in the US) sees someone lose a human right, I should shut up, because some other guy who also lives in the US, who I've never met did something that I never approved of or endorsed?

No, of course! I agree with you: individual citizens should have the right to talk about anything, there's free speech after all.

What I mean is that if you are too focused on the (truly horrible) injustices perpetrated by other countries while you consistently turn a blind eye to the injustices perpetrated by your own, then you are not being very useful. For example, in your case, the last three US administrations have been outrageously war-mongering zealots, starting wars all over the globe, participating in the violent overthrow of several governments for petty economic interests, and routinely engaging in extra-judicial killings abroad. While you can talk about whatever you find interesting, your critiques of China are not really going anywhere, but you could be somewhat effective in opposing the violent policies of your own democratic country. Call your representatives! Make them know that you don't approve of U.S. warmongering international politics!

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by square_usual »

math wrote: post #18
enriquto wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Myanmar is perhaps the first country the modern-West has totally lost from the grasp of its sphere of influence. Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. It can be factual, at least. But in case China is supporting the military overthrow of foreign governments over the world, then "the West" has zero moral ground to criticize, as we've been doing exactly that since, well, forever.

it is interesting that this comment criticising the west is not downvoted, but those that are criticising china are

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Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by klibertp »

oefrha wrote: post #34
baybal2 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sanctions won’t work. They will just punish businesses that were stupid enough to work with Americans and Europeans. At the end of the day, Myanmar is going to come out of this period looking more like China than like the British colony it was before — guess what that’s meant to prepare us for, in terms of the way the world looks by the end of this century? Sanctions won’t work, but tanks would. The entirety of Mya…

The question I always ask when people suggest warfare, especially an invasion: will you personally fight in it?

> will you personally fight in it?

Personally, like in piloting a drone? It's a good question to ask, to be sure, but its value continues to diminish as more and more tech is deployed in warfare.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by rgbrenner »

pessimizer wrote: post #33
rgbrenner wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure the West has always been defending human rights in its interventions in other countries? Thats not what I said. Re-read it? I don't know how you got that from what I wrote.

> The sides aren't the US vs China... the sides are those on the side of human rights and liberty and those that seek to deprive others of their rights.

What's the difficulty in separating those two things?

I'm not talking about entities or countries... I'm talking about human beings with names.

On one side there are people that deprive others of their rights. For example: That includes Xi Jinping. It also includes every person that helped overthrow Iran's democracy. It includes US citizens that attempt to deprive others of their voting rights.

On the other side you have those that advocate for human rights. That includes MLK Jr; Gandhi standing against the british; Tutu against apartheid; the Hong Kong protestors; etc. It also includes everyday people in China that work and advocate for human rights.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by iso1631 »

baybal2 wrote: post #21
echelon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So now China's game plan is to topple democracies? What's next, and how far will this go?

Chinese have't toppled a democracy.. yet, but they were rather successful at absorbing banana republics previously belonging to major powers. China now has a dozen satellites made of countries formerly being playgrounds of foreign political games.

China's spent the last 15 years taking over Africa. Hell it's made a good job at bringing frickin Australia into its circles too.

The West (and US in particular) has meanwhile done squat since making another mess in the middle east fighting for last century's resources.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by cheph »

gtufano wrote: post #20
newbie578 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do we still try to equate China and the US? They are not the same, I don’t know if it is some kind of a self-hate issue, but the West has it better. Period. As long as I can go to jail for saying Winnie The Pooh, China sucks and we should not encourage such regimes.

It is currently probably way better (USA vs. China). Especially when seen from Europe (or USA)... looking at it from the point of view of a South-American citizen probably don't give the same result... and it's not self-hate, just history

If China was so much better why do people from South America risk life and limb to get to the fascist, racist white supremacist hellhole that is USA (where cops hunt people of color like dogs on the street and throw the ones they don't murder in cold blood in jail to use as slave labour) instead of just going to China?
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