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Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by baybal2 »

echelon wrote: post #16
myanmarthrow wrote: post #10

Posting this throwaway because I don’t want my residency canceled. That should give you a hint that I might know way more than the armchair experts. Any article that talks about Myanmar and doesn’t include the word “China” all over it, is probably propaganda of some sort. I won’t go more into this and I will allow people to do their homework and make up their own minds about the good and the bad of all of it, but Mya…

So now China's game plan is to topple democracies? What's next, and how far will this go?

Chinese have't toppled a democracy.. yet, but they were rather successful at absorbing banana republics previously belonging to major powers.

China now has a dozen satellites made of countries formerly being playgrounds of foreign political games.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by enriquto »

math wrote: post #18
enriquto wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Myanmar is perhaps the first country the modern-West has totally lost from the grasp of its sphere of influence. Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. It can be factual, at least. But in case China is supporting the military overthrow of foreign governments over the world, then "the West" has zero moral ground to criticize, as we've been doing exactly that since, well, forever.

it is interesting that this comment criticising the west is not downvoted, but those that are criticising china are

The top comment criticizes China, I'm not really sure that what you say is accurate. There's much to criticize about China, but we westerners are in a really bad place to do so, lest we want to sound either condescending or hypocritical.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by oefrha »

math wrote: post #18
enriquto wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Myanmar is perhaps the first country the modern-West has totally lost from the grasp of its sphere of influence. Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. It can be factual, at least. But in case China is supporting the military overthrow of foreign governments over the world, then "the West" has zero moral ground to criticize, as we've been doing exactly that since, well, forever.

it is interesting that this comment criticising the west is not downvoted, but those that are criticising china are

Let me unravel the mystery for you. I downvoted two comments “criticizing China” into the gray, and upvoted this one “criticizing the West”. What now, gonna accuse me of being an agent, a shill, or something?

Of course I flagged this one for breaking site guidelines, too.

(Sorry dang for knowingly breaking site guidelines with this comment. Just feel like given the constant accusations whenever there’s a thread like this, sometimes one has to show themself. I don’t think your “I looked into the users who downvoted and they’re not shills” is actually working.)

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by dash2 »

LatteLazy wrote: post #4

I had really high hopes for Burma when they transitioned to semi-democracy in 2010. 10 years of shitty government and a small genocide later and I wonder if the country is ready for civilian rule.

The military were the genocidaires though, so this is hardly an improvement.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by sva_ »

klunger wrote: post #5

A journalist is live tweeting updates here: https://twitter.com/the_ayeminthant/status/13560351897433088...

It's interesting that they say they've been logged out of Signal/Telegram and can't log back in due to being unable to receive a confirmation code as the cell services have been shut down.

This type of thing seems to be happening more and more frequently. It is sad to see that there's not more of an effort to build (decentralized) communication technology independent from government/private infrastructure. I think we have the knowledge and affordable technology available to create something ripe for mass-adoption but there doesn't seem to be a real concentrated effort.

The writings are on the wall and if it ever happens to us, nobody can act surprised.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by lucian1900 »

newbie578 wrote: post #17
enriquto wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Myanmar is perhaps the first country the modern-West has totally lost from the grasp of its sphere of influence. Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. It can be factual, at least. But in case China is supporting the military overthrow of foreign governments over the world, then "the West" has zero moral ground to criticize, as we've been doing exactly that since, well, forever.

Why do we still try to equate China and the US? They are not the same, I don’t know if it is some kind of a self-hate issue, but the West has it better. Period. As long as I can go to jail for saying Winnie The Pooh, China sucks and we should not encourage such regimes.

You can’t go to jail for that. If you spend any time on Chinese social media you’ll see how silly of a notion it is.

Perhaps you should consider who convinced you of this falsehood.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by onethought »

myanmarthrow wrote: post #10

Posting this throwaway because I don’t want my residency canceled. That should give you a hint that I might know way more than the armchair experts. Any article that talks about Myanmar and doesn’t include the word “China” all over it, is probably propaganda of some sort. I won’t go more into this and I will allow people to do their homework and make up their own minds about the good and the bad of all of it, but Mya…

Isn’t this related to the head general not being able to extend his term... how is china involved?

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by rgbrenner »

enriquto wrote: post #12
myanmarthrow wrote: post #10

Posting this throwaway because I don’t want my residency canceled. That should give you a hint that I might know way more than the armchair experts. Any article that talks about Myanmar and doesn’t include the word “China” all over it, is probably propaganda of some sort. I won’t go more into this and I will allow people to do their homework and make up their own minds about the good and the bad of all of it, but Mya…

> Myanmar is perhaps the first country the modern-West has totally lost from the grasp of its sphere of influence. Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. It can be factual, at least. But in case China is supporting the military overthrow of foreign governments over the world, then "the West" has zero moral ground to criticize, as we've been doing exactly that since, well, forever.

What does "moral ground" mean? You mean, if I (a person that lives in the US) sees someone lose a human right, I should shut up, because some other guy who also lives in the US, who I've never met did something that I never approved of or endorsed?

Like we should all be ok with an individual being victimized because anyone who wants to say something is guilty of something else by association... I guess the victims should accept that no one should help them. How sad.

The truth is I think people who trot out this line should ask themselves who they're helping. The sides aren't the US vs China... the sides are those on the side of human rights and liberty and those that seek to deprive others of their rights. And when you stand up with your words to help those on the side of anti-human rights, you are the one on the wrong side... and no one on the human rights side gives a damn what you think is hypocritical because those actions were never from our side.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by pqs »

rgbrenner wrote: post #28
enriquto wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Myanmar is perhaps the first country the modern-West has totally lost from the grasp of its sphere of influence. Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing. It can be factual, at least. But in case China is supporting the military overthrow of foreign governments over the world, then "the West" has zero moral ground to criticize, as we've been doing exactly that since, well, forever.

What does "moral ground" mean? You mean, if I (a person that lives in the US) sees someone lose a human right, I should shut up, because some other guy who also lives in the US, who I've never met did something that I never approved of or endorsed? Like we should all be ok with an individual being victimized because anyone who wants to say something is guilty of something else by association... I guess the victims sh…

Are you sure the West has always been defending human rights in its interventions in other countries? We should separate the justification for meddling in another country's affairs with the root cause of the meddling.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by rgbrenner »

pqs wrote: post #29
rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "moral ground" mean? You mean, if I (a person that lives in the US) sees someone lose a human right, I should shut up, because some other guy who also lives in the US, who I've never met did something that I never approved of or endorsed? Like we should all be ok with an individual being victimized because anyone who wants to say something is guilty of something else by association... I guess the victims sh…

Are you sure the West has always been defending human rights in its interventions in other countries? We should separate the justification for meddling in another country's affairs with the root cause of the meddling.

Are you sure the West has always been defending human rights in its interventions in other countries?

Thats not what I said. Re-read it? I don't know how you got that from what I wrote.

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