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Re: Google union in turmoil following global alliance announcement

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I agree. Joe Biden should be taken off the air for allowing 4000 Americans to die from COVID every day and countless others to be blown up by the military that he commands.

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Biden spent months talking about how much work he was going to do to fix everything on day one. Literally nothing that matters has even been done yet. No excuses

Re: Google union in turmoil following global alliance announcement

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Um this is the CWA i.e. local to the USA not the Global alliance which is UNI - the former President is Friend. Realistically AWU has to partner with another union initially standing up a brand new stand alone union with all the costs and difficulties is not practicable.

What kind of costs and difficulties? Filing paperwork isn't terribly expensive, and with an average member wage 5-10x higher than the median wage in the US the union should hit above its weight class. A larger union is likely to bring its own set of office politics and costs.

It's not that simple to create an effective professional union you need to hire specific skills there is a limit to what lay officers/activists can do in there free time.

Just remaining within the absolute letter of the law is complex and panties for failure can be heavy - I know I have dealt with this aspect in the UK.

Re: Google union in turmoil following global alliance announcement

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The fall out between CWA and the employees was predictable, but faster than I would have guessed. I don’t understand why they teamed up with CWA in the first place. What possible alignment of incentives were they hoping for? What were they thinking?

Who else would they work with in the USA? - as far as I know the civil service unions in the USA don't have members in the private sector.

Spin up their own unaffiliated union?

A few googlers teaming up can presumably afford to pay some labor lawyers to draw up the paperwork and guide them through the process. It'd also leave googlers' more in control of their destiny than quickly becoming a franchise of a larger union.

With the hundreds of members they now have, they could cover a few staff and/or consultants. Maybe even with some sort of loan to the union for spin-up costs that could be repaid from future dues if successful?

Re: Google union in turmoil following global alliance announcement

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The fall out between CWA and the employees was predictable, but faster than I would have guessed. I don’t understand why they teamed up with CWA in the first place. What possible alignment of incentives were they hoping for? What were they thinking?

Who else would they work with in the USA? - as far as I know the civil service unions in the USA don't have members in the private sector.

UAW is another common choice, but they have a terrible track record of squashing workers rights in the University of California system. (Read up on the 2020 UC Santa Cruz wildcat strikes, or when they negotiated to reduce health care coverage for female grad students and also forced student salary caps through a decade or so ago.)

Why work with any of them?

Re: Google union in turmoil following global alliance announcement

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Keep in mind the very same people supported organizations like antifa and blm who killed or got killed a lot more than 5 people over the past few years...

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You believe that 10s of thousands of people broke into the capital building?

How would that even be possible? I want to know the logistics of your theory of the 10s of thousands of people who were in DC that day, all being funneled into a single building

Re: Google union in turmoil following global alliance announcement

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Keep in mind the very same people supported organizations like antifa and blm who killed or got killed a lot more than 5 people over the past few years...

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First of all, "were" and "are known" is like apples and oranges.

Second, there wasn't just one Capitol Protest. So no, you're wrong.

Re: Google union in turmoil following global alliance announcement

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I agree. Joe Biden should be taken off the air for allowing 4000 Americans to die from COVID every day and countless others to be blown up by the military that he commands.

In seriousness, if we had this as a norm (and not just a bludgeon for whatever politician we don't like), we'd be in a better place as a society. Obama has admitted that he continued the drone strikes because he couldn't afford to look soft on terrorism as a Democrat, for instance. No law compelled him to, just the court of public opinion. How would we get to the point where, instead, he couldn't afford to look excit…

According to the actual covid death rates, infection rates, and projections, Sweden is doing about as well as the rest of Europe, and much, much better than the US:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden?view=total-deaths&tab=...

I’m not sure why Tegnell gets so much hate for doing a softer economic shutdown, and getting similar results as more draconian approaches. As a bonus, projections say they’ll hit herd immunity sooner than many countries (assuming vaccine rollouts).

I guess, as you point out, history is written by the victorious, and Sweden’s minority approach will always be backed by a minority political voice.

Re: Google union in turmoil following global alliance announcement

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> Spiers spoke about her experience with CWA and said she wanted to acknowledge that the alliance announcement was not an isolated incident. Now, she’s participating in a campaign to disaffiliate from the larger organization.

It's important to choose allies carefully. If you opportunistically work with an individual who's more invested in making scenes and silly sloganeering than using good judgment to accomplish meaningful change, you shouldn't be surprised when it turns out she's not much of a team player. Can't feel too bad for the CWA here.

Re: Google union in turmoil following global alliance announcement

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They will filter "lies and hate". But that doesn't mean the "lies and hate" will magically disappear. Only the Government-approved(TM) lies and hate will be allowed to justify wars and authoritarian policies and you will be demonized and depersoned if you even try to question it. This is going to happen.

Re: Google union in turmoil following global alliance announcement

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This seems... exaggerated and not particularly newsworthy, like the journalist's trying to make a big story out of something tiny: > In a statement, AWU executive council member Auni Ahsan said: “We want to honor the concerns that have been raised, but our primary focus as a union isn’t affiliation or disaffiliation.” > After the article came out, however, multiple AWU members told The Verge they were blindsided by t…

“We want to honor the concerns that have been raised, but our primary focus as a union isn’t affiliation or disaffiliation.”

That sounds very much like condescendingly downplaying the seriousness of affiliation as something they should not be worrying about, when in fact it is something that the members are concerned about.

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