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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

ngc248 wrote: post #235
19f191ty wrote: post #114

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More information has come out linking the violent folks to the ruling party. The farmers have said it's not their people. Indeed the leader of the group that entered Red Fort is a known BJP. There's a video of him running away when accosted by the farmers. It's such a mess.

Damn man the level of misinformation you guys are feeding in is at the next level. So which is it, the people who where rioting were actual farmers, sikhs or from BJP? In the same thread you guys are listing out all possible combinations. In India there are Farmer organizations, labour organizations etc of all parties. The current agitation is by farmer orgs belonging to opposition parties. This is just politics noth…

The trick of discrediting a popular protest by putting your own hooligans to do something abhorrent is as old as the woods. That is what happened.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by sbmthakur »

xrisk wrote: post #280
sbmthakur wrote: post #277

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This is assuming that Mandis work as expected which is not always true. In reality, there is corruption and gaming the system. While these laws to incentivise alternative markets, they do not abolish Mandis. https://finshots.in/archive/agriculture-will-never-be-the-sa...

I never claimed that they always work as expected. That is not an excuse to do away with them. As for the shtick that they will not abolish mandis, that is already demonstrably untrue [1]. It is trivial to observe that big corp will utterly destroy them and then coerce farmers into bad contracts when they have no alternative. As for your argument that the "free market" will improve the situation, for the record, it h…

The scenarios you cited may show that private Mandis are bad at protecting farmers but they do not involve big corps who have the capital to build storage facilities and facilitate farmers with farm related activities. So how did you conclude "big corp" will destroy farmers with this laws?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by hesarenu »

srean wrote: post #344
hesarenu wrote: post #336

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So if some members of a group were involved in these activities do you blame the whole group? Are you consistent with you beliefs on labeling groups?

If the government took action against these guys as opposed to covert support and encouragement you would have a point. How many public lynchers have been convicted ? (Its a rhetorical question) Why has the Modi government passed orders not to record lynching related deaths ? (again a rhetorical question) https://indianexpress.com/article/india/ncrb-leaves-out-data... May be you should take your lecture to the govern…

OP mentioned RSS as terrorists because their members did violent acts. Now i know a religion whose members are usually involved in terrorists acts. We don't label them as terrorists as it should be.

So tell me. Are you consistent with you beliefs on labeling groups?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

eklavya wrote: post #288
rishav_sharan wrote: post #263

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Bajrang Dal is an offshoot of RSS and is part of the Sangh family. Shivsena I wouldn't club them completely with the other Sangh family but they too have a sordid past of religious fundamentalism. I can't comment much on Hindu Sena as I am not well aware of their activities.

I was mostly talking about the Valentine beatings which are the exclusive domain of shivsena.

Citation please. Specifically looking for link with Shiv Sena where couple's in UP and Haryana were lynched on Valentine's day.

Since these were public, what has RSS done to distance themselves from those lynchings (A rhetorical question of course)

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by quantgenius »

davchana wrote: post #140
quantgenius wrote: post #134

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No, all Kashmiris are state subjects. However virtually all pandits, about 40% of the population in 1970 and about 35% of other Kashmiris have left the state and that is a majority. Kashmir, the state is a pretty big place. It’s not just the valley.

Hmm. Only in BJP Math Classes 40% out of 100% is a Majority, & 60% rest are minority. Because 40% is Hindu, & 60% is non hindu. All citizens are equal, but every Hindu is more equal than non hindu.

40% + (35% * 60%) = 57.5% > 50%. Hence a majority. It's simple math.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

hesarenu wrote: post #353
srean wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the government took action against these guys as opposed to covert support and encouragement you would have a point. How many public lynchers have been convicted ? (Its a rhetorical question) Why has the Modi government passed orders not to record lynching related deaths ? (again a rhetorical question) https://indianexpress.com/article/india/ncrb-leaves-out-data... May be you should take your lecture to the govern…

OP mentioned RSS as terrorists because their members did violent acts. Now i know a religion whose members are usually involved in terrorists acts. We don't label them as terrorists as it should be. So tell me. Are you consistent with you beliefs on labeling groups?

> We don't label them as terrorists

That's pretty much all the government cosy media does -- handing out certificates about who is patriotic and who is not.

If members does an act in the name of an org and that is against the values of the organization. Its for the organization to clarify that their values do not match with the cations taken by these group. This is what the farmer protester groups did when violence occurred. This what they did when cell towers were vandalized.

The RSS on the other hand has stayed mum which in normal course of action will be and is taken as tacit support. Of course I don't read all of RSS's press releases. If you have pointers to RSS official press releases where they have condemned specific attacks I would be very interested to read.

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Post by hesarenu »

srean wrote: post #356
hesarenu wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP mentioned RSS as terrorists because their members did violent acts. Now i know a religion whose members are usually involved in terrorists acts. We don't label them as terrorists as it should be. So tell me. Are you consistent with you beliefs on labeling groups?

> We don't label them as terrorists That's pretty much all the government cosy media does -- handing out certificates about who is patriotic and who is not. If members does an act in the name of an org and that is against the values of the organization. Its for the organization to clarify that their values do not match with the cations taken by these group. This is what the farmer protester groups did when violence o…

OP labeled RSS as terrorists for its members atrocities. Seems you are agreeing with him.

So tell me. Are you consistent with your labeling?

Are you labeling a religion as terrorist because of some of its people?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

quantummkv wrote: post #292
davchana wrote: post #125

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No worries, I understand. Many sikhs here support Trump. Mostly who are here since ages, & are businessman, does not pay minimum wage, employ & exploit asylum seekers. And I am also sikh, although does not wear any sikh symbols like Hair Turban. No where I said we need congress government. Modi dictator need to go away. India was progressing way way more in Manmohans rule (yes, there were million bad issues were too,…

>You can't even compare Biden Support to modi Supporters. Biden won fair & square So did Modi. His victory in elections was accepted by all his rivals as fair and square. > But Modi's rule is dictatorship. How is it a dictatorship? Modi won fair and square in an election conceded by all his rivals. If you don't like him, then vote him out. If you cannot vote him out, then you can claim to it being a dictatorship. But…

You are correct that Modi won popular vote. But this one chancellor who is rather a poster child of being a bad boy won his election too. Note also the fact that only about 50% of the people exercised their vote so there is a large fraction who aren't that enthused about Modi

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

hesarenu wrote: post #357
srean wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We don't label them as terrorists That's pretty much all the government cosy media does -- handing out certificates about who is patriotic and who is not. If members does an act in the name of an org and that is against the values of the organization. Its for the organization to clarify that their values do not match with the cations taken by these group. This is what the farmer protester groups did when violence o…

OP labeled RSS as terrorists for its members atrocities. Seems you are agreeing with him. So tell me. Are you consistent with your labeling? Are you labeling a religion as terrorist because of some of its people?

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by davchana »

quantgenius wrote: post #355
davchana wrote: post #140

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Hmm. Only in BJP Math Classes 40% out of 100% is a Majority, & 60% rest are minority. Because 40% is Hindu, & 60% is non hindu. All citizens are equal, but every Hindu is more equal than non hindu.

40% + (35% * 60%) = 57.5% > 50%. Hence a majority. It's simple math.

As on 1990s, Jammu & Kashmir

Displaced Hindus = 6 Lakh [1]

Population = 78 Lakh [2]

Percentage: 7.69%

Sources:

[1] Wikipedia Exodus of Hindus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

[2] Wikipedia Historical Population of Kashmir, estimated in 1991 through religious organisations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_(state)

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