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CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs

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Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs

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post #15

Is that a lot for a website?

I made about a dozen websites in the late 90s and early aughts... most I ever made at it was 50k/y. OTOH, they worked and continued to work long past my involvement. Maybe it's a fair price for a shoddy website?

Modern websites are designed to blow up as soon as there isn't an active development team anymore. The docker image needs to be rebuilt from source, the cloud APIs get deprecated, etc.

Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs

#72
Companies like deloitte sees the CDC as a big cow that needs milking. They will never finish the job. It is like going to the hospital and tell the doctor I have a great insurance. The Doctors will do every possible procedure. It is better to check. CDC needs to employ developers and do the job internally.

Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs

#73
post #13

I just don't understand these software deals, the price is so high. At 44 million, you can hire 146 engineers each paid 300k for a full year. Trust me, you need much less to build something like this, and there's no excuse for it to suck so bad. I'm also curious, anyone know where the development actually happened? Did Deloitte further subcontracted out? Was it outsourced?

It's a bit like some of the costs that have been quoted for some of the covid track and trace apps.

Whilst I do realise some of these quoted costs involve more than just the development of the app itself, some of the numbers are utterly ludicrous IMO as a software developer. e.g. Germany's app apparently cost approx €20 million.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-launches-best-coronavirus-trac...

Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs

#74
post #67

After reading the article, I think it boils down to a) Poor/lack of understanding of who the actual users are e.g. these are systems that will be used by both the young and old people, especially older people in the early stages since they are the ones at the front of the vaccine line; worst case, the system should have been optimized for them. b) bullet a then leads to poor requirements e.g. given that most librarie…

It’s hard to know what actually went wrong without being in the project itself - there’s probably organizational issues within Deloitte and bad incentives around the entire procurement process, but hard to know from the outside just seeing that it’s a disaster.

Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs

#75
Hey CDC, I’ll build your website for half that price. By myself. And it will work. Just uh, hit me up haha

It’s insane how far those unfamiliar with software will take the mythical man month. Nonono throwing money and people at your problem is absolutely not guaranteed to solve it better.

My offer is of course a joke, well unless they want to talk specifics and I agree it’s reasonable to take on myself. Or just plain reasonable.

Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs

#76
post #13

I just don't understand these software deals, the price is so high. At 44 million, you can hire 146 engineers each paid 300k for a full year. Trust me, you need much less to build something like this, and there's no excuse for it to suck so bad. I'm also curious, anyone know where the development actually happened? Did Deloitte further subcontracted out? Was it outsourced?

Many years ago early in my career I worked at an an engineering firm as a third-party contractor doing programming for a large municipal blackwater system.

Despite the fact that I was working on critical code implementing core requirements of the system, I was only paid $20/hr. I believe the firm was charged $40-60.

Long before I started working in the product and before any working software was deployed, the majority of the budget was spent. I believe they had at least three civil engineers, and a hands-off software architect who I only saw once, developing a document with hundreds of pages of studies and requirements.

I remember one severe issue we had was that I was not allowed to test on the real database or one of a similar size. So a main query was tested the day it was deployed (on some extremely expensive Oracle server which was very outdated). And unfortunately my query did not perform adequately on the larger dataset. But the senior programmer decided not to tell me or to try to fix it. He just truncated my query with LIMIT and said nothing. This resulted in the query breaking and showing an error, and totally incomplete and invalid data. It is amazing it actually continued at all from that point but unfortunately it did. I only found out about it several weeks later when the project manager decided to take me on a visit. Strangely, no one ever mentioned the issue, nor addressed my immediate suggestion that the software could not operate without the problem being fixed. I assume the other programmer just said "well that guy is inexperienced" and they had other projects to work on and no budget left so they just left it for quite awhile. Anyway I could not believe that so I left shortly after.

Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs

#78
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't we speak figuratively anymore? Why is Deloitte getting all the blame here? Why is the government not responsible for this fiasco? They know very well what Deloitte is and what their track record is.

> Why can't we speak figuratively anymore? Because a lot of people who hear that take it as literal encouragement. The events of Jan 6 are one example of how threats like that aren't simply rhetorical devices.

The real question is why are people incapable of regulating their own behaviour. It's convenient to say that talking about hanging politicians encourages this behaviour, and contributes to it

End of the day though -- why should my speech be held as responsible for another persons conduct?

Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs

#79

Why reinvent google forms?

You can say that about any app though, everything kinda can be boiled down to a spreadsheet lol. This does probably have complex requirements, not saying it’s not egregious but this comment is facetious.

Re: CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abandoned due to bugs

#80
post #17

I have worked with Deloitte on two projects (on clients' side, I would never willingly work for Deloitte). Generally expect them to do absolute minimum necessary to meet the contract. The code was obfuscated to ensure support contract. The people employed to write it were not interested in the quality in the slightest but were interested a lot in specifics of the contract.

They're getting paid for a deliverable. Why do you expect free work?
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