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...'his company didn't think like a traditional medical institution. "We're engineers, we're scientists, computer scientists, we're cybersecurity nerds. We think a little differently than people in health care do." "We took the entire model and just threw it out the window," Doroshin added. "We said to hell with all of that. We're going to completely build on a new model...' These kinds of statements from founders sh…
...'his company didn't think like a traditional medical institution. "We're engineers, we're scientists, computer scientists, we're cybersecurity nerds. We think a little differently than people in health care do." "We took the entire model and just threw it out the window," Doroshin added. "We said to hell with all of that. We're going to completely build on a new model...' These kinds of statements from founders sh…
Thinks SSADM.
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You are right of course but I object to a 22 year old psychology student being characterized as a tech person. At best he's a Musk imitator. The problem isn't with tech people, it's with the sleazeballs using us for cover.
I can’t believe your system allows for something like this to happen. A private organisation run by non-doctors and non-nurses allowed to administer vaccines? WTF?
Agreed, in part, but if you only knew what a clusterfuck the underlying system is even with incredibly expensive employer based medical insurance was you'd probably be more open to seeing things like this take palce. And before you start with 'but in my country...' just know I've lived in countries with socialized medicine, where having to wait months for appointments to see a specialist is the norm, years for a surgery is nearly guaranteed and even needing a Dr's RX for aspirin (Germany!) is needed which is equally absurd to me as I got injured and ended up just drinking vodka to endure the pain instead of just having something available that is OTC in most countries.
None of these systems are what I would call 'good,' and are all in need of massive reform. And while this does have a lot of sensationalism behind it that makes it look bad, I say just look at my earlier post and just focus at the results and what comparable rollout efforts look like before condemning them entirely.
The US is an experiment, and one that has been failing most people at large for several decades now because of entrenched bureaucratic power deterring or outright denying these kind of accelerated forms of disruption to their monopolies and business models. I now see COVID as an opportunity as much as I see it as catastrophic shock to the system now.
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You are right of course but I object to a 22 year old psychology student being characterized as a tech person. At best he's a Musk imitator. The problem isn't with tech people, it's with the sleazeballs using us for cover.
I can’t believe your system allows for something like this to happen. A private organisation run by non-doctors and non-nurses allowed to administer vaccines? WTF?
Get rich quick scheme: do what this guy did, scurry away some doses (e.g. if you have no shows), and bring in the millionaires who are willing to pay a lot of money to get their doses.
If you have less of a soul, just inject the normal patients with placebos, and keep more of the vaccines for your paying clients.
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I can’t believe your system allows for something like this to happen. A private organisation run by non-doctors and non-nurses allowed to administer vaccines? WTF?
Can't believe how ripe for abuse this is... Get rich quick scheme: do what this guy did, scurry away some doses (e.g. if you have no shows), and bring in the millionaires who are willing to pay a lot of money to get their doses. If you have less of a soul, just inject the normal patients with placebos, and keep more of the vaccines for your paying clients.
I LOL'd in horror at this, wouldn't surprise me if somewhere this has happened.
Him taking vaccines home to vaccinate his girlfriend should be its own article, discussing exactly what happened. We’ve already seen in a dozen cities what happens if there are thawed vaccines that day: use them. The rest doesn't seem different enough from whats happening everywhere to really warrant Farley’s PR campaign here to prevent his resignation. Everywhere has bungled scheduling errors or vaccines logistics l…
What a great comment! The approach is very Musk top-to-bottom. You win by being the lightning rod.
People are using their heads and finding the perspectives insightful.
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Do you really think Pfizer is rolling out their vaccine for free?
Pfizer is making a profit. AstraZeneca is not as their deal with Oxford University is to produce and distribute the vaccine at cost. Two different approaches.
I'll just go out and give a contrarian view. In The Netherlands all this and more happened under direct government supervision. We are on the lowest ladder of vaccinations, the PII of all tested individuals seem to have leaked / be stolen, with a minister in active denial and no view on improvements any time soon. The last time we did a vaccination that went well (H1N1) the army was closely involved for logistics, no…
I did notice that NPR did not really tell his side of this tale, but added a few selected quotes that were rather inflammatory in this context.
e.g. "In a press conference at his apartment building Friday, Doroshin called the city's decision to dissolve the partnership "dirty power politics" and alleged it was part of a political conspiracy. He said that if given the chance, he wouldn't have done anything differently.
It's a quote that sounds like he's a bitter, self-absorbed, crazy person. Could indeed be true, but given that the Principle of Charity is not a journalistic practice, we did not learn his argument and cannot judge for ourselves.
Unfortunately, NPR is considered among the best of US news.
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A degree of hubris, yes. An irreverence, certainly. It is necessary to not operate within the intellectual framework of a field in order to revolutionize it. Incrementally modifying the framework is extremely difficult because there are usually networks of reinforcement of the current structure (or it wouldn’t be stable..) so a non-incremental “jump” is required to climb a different hill. This jump is mythologized as…
I think one of the key points is that you can’t tell if a system needs evolutionary (incremental) or revolutionary change unless you analyze it in depth. “It’s not working” as a superficial observation of effect is not good enough - it may be on the cusp of working with a few tweaks, which would be much more efficient than starting over. As with any idea, throwing things out of the window can be good if it’s compleme…