In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old
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Re: In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old
#2I know the death penalty is controversial, so let me just advocate for life without parole for committing a large-scale fraud like this against the health and lives of the public.
Re: In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old
#3I know the death penalty is controversial, so let me just advocate for life without parole for committing a large-scale fraud like this against the health and lives of the public.
I agree that at some point you need to be able to say: "We just don't want person X to ever return in our society.".
The big question is how do you implement such a thing? I think the English had the right idea by expelling them though I don't know if such a thing would still work in 2021...
Re: In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old
#4Reads like a disaster in a loop.
> Doroshin told NBC's "Today" show that his company didn't think like a traditional medical institution. "We're engineers, we're scientists, computer scientists, we're cybersecurity nerds. We think a little differently than people in health care do."
> "We took the entire model and just threw it out the window," Doroshin added. "We said to hell with all of that. We're going to completely build on a new model that is based on a factory."
It’s mind boggling how many times we see this belief that some groups (among many) who are thought to be prone to analytical thinking can solve problems and “throw out” knowledge, learnings, experience and wisdom from core groups who have been in the space for longer. There is a space for disruption, thinking outside the box, etc., in every field, but many a times this seems to be based solely on hubris.
Re: In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old
#5I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, the CEO sounds like a fraudster and has bungled appointments, leaving people disappointed. On the other hand, he did get a decent amount (the website claims 6,000 people over 5 days) of people vaccinated, and has real medical staff on hand: http://web.archive.org/web/20210115174959/https://phillyfigh... (the page has been pulled down), so its not completely fradulent. Additionally, charging insurance companies for the shot isn't bad, if the staff / space rentals need to get paid.
I'm not confident hospitals are doing much better in getting people vaccinated.
Re: In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old
#6...'his company didn't think like a traditional medical institution. "We're engineers, we're scientists, computer scientists, we're cybersecurity nerds. We think a little differently than people in health care do."
"We took the entire model and just threw it out the window," Doroshin added. "We said to hell with all of that. We're going to completely build on a new model...'
These kinds of statements from founders should always be a red flag. Dig deep, if you hear some variant of domain experts are hidebound and dogmatic. The parable of Chesterton's Fence[1] applies.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Chesterton's_...
Re: In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old
#7Reads like a disaster in a loop. > Doroshin told NBC's "Today" show that his company didn't think like a traditional medical institution. "We're engineers, we're scientists, computer scientists, we're cybersecurity nerds. We think a little differently than people in health care do." > "We took the entire model and just threw it out the window," Doroshin added. "We said to hell with all of that. We're going to complet…
A degree of hubris, yes. An irreverence, certainly. It is necessary to not operate within the intellectual framework of a field in order to revolutionize it. Incrementally modifying the framework is extremely difficult because there are usually networks of reinforcement of the current structure (or it wouldn’t be stable..) so a non-incremental “jump” is required to climb a different hill. This jump is mythologized as starting from scratch, though often times most of the weirdness goes away and only the essentially advantageous difference remains as the company or project matures.
Re: In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old
#8I know the death penalty is controversial, so let me just advocate for life without parole for committing a large-scale fraud like this against the health and lives of the public.
I agree that at some point you need to be able to say: "We just don't want person X to ever return in our society.". The big question is how do you implement such a thing? I think the English had the right idea by expelling them though I don't know if such a thing would still work in 2021...
Exile is one of the most traditional legal punishments. (Everywhere.) I think a couple of things tend to undermine it in the modern day:
- Very free movement between regions.
- No norm of distrust for strangers. In a traditional society, when someone new shows up, the default is that nobody trusts them to do anything. Any transaction that doesn't settle immediately can't be done, etc. But modern people are supposed to treat strangers as if they didn't just show up because they got ejected from their home. This means exiling people more or less corresponds to screwing over the hapless, trusting society they get exiled to.
There is a solution implemented in the US, the sex offender registry, meant to address this exact problem. ("What if someone enters our community, but they're not trustworthy?") The problem is that the formalization of the sex offender registry (1) is the same everywhere -- not a big problem; the old norm of distrust for strangers doesn't differ in that regard -- and (2) supersedes the old system whereby a stranger could, over time, become trusted. You might personally trust someone who once urinated in public, but he'll never be officially trustworthy no matter what happens.
Re: In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old
#9I know the death penalty is controversial, so let me just advocate for life without parole for committing a large-scale fraud like this against the health and lives of the public.
I agree that at some point you need to be able to say: "We just don't want person X to ever return in our society.". The big question is how do you implement such a thing? I think the English had the right idea by expelling them though I don't know if such a thing would still work in 2021...
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Re: In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old
#10Reads like a disaster in a loop. > Doroshin told NBC's "Today" show that his company didn't think like a traditional medical institution. "We're engineers, we're scientists, computer scientists, we're cybersecurity nerds. We think a little differently than people in health care do." > "We took the entire model and just threw it out the window," Doroshin added. "We said to hell with all of that. We're going to complet…
“We’ve carefully explored the current solution space, and we’ve decided it was best to build a new solution from first-principles”
It doesn’t have the same ring as “throwing things out the window” outright, and it’s a lot of extra work. Stopping to see where the old solutions failed, and if they had any merit to begin with? Ugh, out with the old already.