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Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Just moved from CA to ID. I'd say that the experience has been great, but with some caveats that don't really apply to you. A lot of the celebration you'll see about remote work is going to come from those who couldn't afford space in places like SF & LA who are now thrilled that they can afford a house somewhere cheaper. I am personally included in this category, as houses in ID are much cheaper than CA. It's really…

> Coming to enjoy remote over pandemic

I enjoy remote but I miss the office. I think I'm part of the majority that would love 2 days in, 3 days out of the office (or some mix close to that).

I can definitely see a single remote worker of a bunch is a recipe for a bad experience as you are just out of the loop and in a company that probably hasn't or won't adopt the things needed for it to be successful.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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The only thing I've missed (being remote away from London in the UK) is the meet ups. I used to get a lot of value in attending good ones: from the talks, the people I met and the opportunities that came my way off the back of them. When I first left London I didn't realise how much I'd miss them, and still miss them 5 years on.

For the last few years finding other remote gigs hasn't been a priority for me, but good ones weren't the norm. Now there is more opportunity than ever, and I can happily say leaving London has meant a totally different (improved by almost every metric!) quality of life for me and my family.

I'm still looking to find good remote meet ups that give me what I found before, but if that is all I'm missing out on, then I'm pretty happy with tie move. I just hope great remote opportunities continue and remote working practices continue to improve.

On connections with colleagues, you need to work a little harder to make these stick, but if you put the effort in it can happen. There are work friends I still see socially remotely.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

#124

Just moved from CA to ID. I'd say that the experience has been great, but with some caveats that don't really apply to you. A lot of the celebration you'll see about remote work is going to come from those who couldn't afford space in places like SF & LA who are now thrilled that they can afford a house somewhere cheaper. I am personally included in this category, as houses in ID are much cheaper than CA. It's really…

> Coming to enjoy remote over pandemic I enjoy remote but I miss the office. I think I'm part of the majority that would love 2 days in, 3 days out of the office (or some mix close to that). I can definitely see a single remote worker of a bunch is a recipe for a bad experience as you are just out of the loop and in a company that probably hasn't or won't adopt the things needed for it to be successful.

Also someone who misses the office, although my ratio is more like 4 in, 1 out.

I think society is seeing an explosion currently in people who have never had the opportunity to work remotely, and who are now doing so for the first time. I feel like many of these people are maybe not thinking about how they will feel if their job is still remote 5 years from now.

Work is where a huge amount of social interaction occurs for adults, and we have now almost nullified that. To some people, that's like a gift from the heavens. But I can't help but feel that after a number of years of this, people will start to miss things they never thought they would. Running into people in the halls, group lunches with coworkers, sticking around after a meeting to catch up with such-and-such. These sort of spontaneous, unplanned interactions are what add variety to a life that can otherwise slide into monotony. Besides this, rates of self-reported loneliness among American adults have been skyrocketing the past decade or so, due to effects of the internet and social media. I don't see how removing the main remaining source of our in-person socialization is going to improve our collective psychologies.

I think like open office plans, we are going to see a lot of companies adopt this for cost reasons, and in five years we are going to see pushback as studies come out showing how collectively damaging forced remote work can be. It's fine if you are someone who chooses the lifestyle, but I think forcing it on people is going to end poorly.

But maybe that's just my preference speaking.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

#125

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So it's great if you're married with kids and have the money to own an house?

But in many areas a house is totally within reach on a tech salary.

Yes. Here in the Midwest it's perfectly within reach of even a modest tech salary to own a home in a nice suburb. The coasts are just so detached from reality

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

#126

I've done it a bunch of times. The big thing to be aware of is that managing remote people requires better management skills, so you need a boss who cares about doing it right. I had two experiences go sideways, in both cases my manager got stressed and busy, and because I was their only remote report, they did a crappy job. Prior to them getting too busy to do a good job, it was fine. It really is a lot better if th…

As another remote worker from outside the United States who is currently making long-term plans for their career, thank you for mentioning the W8-BEN form.

I think this might be one of those pivotal moments that will change my trayectory in a significant way.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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I've done it for years.

There's not much to say about it really - it's what you make of it, which means it can be horible or amazing depending on how good you are at managig yourself and your environment.

In my case, I am several timezones ahead of the rest of my time, which means in general my social life on weekdays is pretty much non-existant, which is a bit isolating.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Some companies have released salary percentiles (relative to HQ) for the adjustment to remote. For example, a company in the Bay Area published this for total comp. Most companies seem to be following similarly: Bay Area: 93% NY: 93% Seattle: 92% Los Angeles: 91% Boston: 91% San Diego: 88% Denver: 86% Chicago: 85% Portland: 83% Philadelphia: 83% Atlanta: 83% Minneapolis: 83% Austin: 82% Florida: 81% Salt Lake City: 8…

It's a real morale breaker to be told that your labor is worth less because of where you live when everyone is remote anyways.

You're worth what you ask for, not what someone think it's worth. You'll get what you ask for more often than not.

People have worked remote before covid, without any salary adjustments.

HR has to set up these policies in place to make sure their salaries line up with local averages. However, it's up to the management to decide who will fill the positions and at what salary. They will make adjustments to make sure their top performers are compensated properly.

Worst case scenario, move to another company.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Being in a tech city sucks. I moved to San Francisco for a better job with better pay, and was overwhelmed with people with shitty politics and group think. Working in a community with people who do tangible things is much better.

I am a native San Franciscan, and an engineer looking forward to the tech exodus.

Most startup prospectors really hate our culture. Once the financial incentive goes away, people are free to seek their fortunes and happiness elsewhere without impacting ours.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Congrats on year 15! I'm on year 5 of working remotely. Working in software I definitely think most companies are fine with remote individual contributors, and that it has been shown to work effectively. If the company is setup for majority distributed communication (slack, wikis, ticket tracker, etc), then I even think tech team leads can be remote. That seems to be the limit though unless the company is remote firs…

I've been a remote employee at my company for more than 7 years now, and I'm at a tech lead (principal) level and still effective there. Since I'm not interested in the management track, I'm not concerned about limitations there. It's true, though, that COVID has made upper management rethink the need to be constantly in the office. I'm not seaside, but bayside, and my experience is similar to others in that regard i…

I can send that. I've been fully remote for 4 years. Because the small village where we wanted to live has 0 tech jobs within reasonable commute distance.

I've gone from IC to team lead, to group lead. I think this is my limit at the moment. Not because I'm remote, but that's how much I can handle at the moment.

I don't get some of the hallway chats from the mothership, but the feedback routinely is that we're one of the strongest groups in the company. So I would take that as a sign that the remote aspect isn't a deal breaker.

Personally I wouldn't go back to the office routine unless I was out of options.

And yes, I do spend 80% of my time in various calls. This is not different from being in an office and working with a distributed team (also in offices in their regions).

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