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Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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I’ve worked remotely for 15 years, variously in a bustling major city with a startup scene and currently do so in a small seaside town a few minutes from the beach. Quality of life depends where in life you are. City is better for meeting people, seaside town for raising children. Remote work is generally good for work-life balance, nobody cares if I stay at home with a sick child or finish early for a school play, b…

So it's great if you're married with kids and have the money to own an house?

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I've done it a bunch of times. The big thing to be aware of is that managing remote people requires better management skills, so you need a boss who cares about doing it right. I had two experiences go sideways, in both cases my manager got stressed and busy, and because I was their only remote report, they did a crappy job. Prior to them getting too busy to do a good job, it was fine. It really is a lot better if th…

It's easy to hire Canadians even non-remote positions. The TN visa requires only a job offer letter and detailed job description for software developers.

There's no requirements for the TN visa holder reside in the same location as the business, to my knowledge. So a Canadian could reside in Washington and be employed in California.

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I've been working remote for 7 years. Mostly in small towns in Texas, but a couple in a big city. It was fun and good for awhile. It got lonely and hard after year 5. I didn't do a good job of getting enough rest and time away from work, and got burned out. It took 3 months of part time to get back to normal. Your team has a big impact on your well-being. If they encourage healthy work/life balance and you have a hea…

> I've spent this afternoon working on a patio at a little cafe in the downtown area of a small town

This sounds like hell to me. My joy is being on a small team in a room with 6-10 other people where we collaborate with each other, calling out, asking for advice on solutions, designing together, getting lunch together, and being in each other presence.

Sitting an a cafe staring at a screen and ignoring all the strangers around me sounds like a dystopia from being around friends and working together.

I've worked from cafes for 3 of the last 4 years (because the last year was covid so no cafes). It's better than being isolated at home but it was 10% of what I get from being physically with teammates.

If you enjoy the solitude good for you.

For me the difference between remote work and office work is like the difference between a real social meetup and a zoom meetup. The zoom meetup doesn't come close the real thing. Similarly, remote working doesn't compare to working physically together. All the things missing from the zoom meetup vs the a physical meetup are also missing from remote work.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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I’ve worked remotely for 15 years, variously in a bustling major city with a startup scene and currently do so in a small seaside town a few minutes from the beach. Quality of life depends where in life you are. City is better for meeting people, seaside town for raising children. Remote work is generally good for work-life balance, nobody cares if I stay at home with a sick child or finish early for a school play, b…

So it's great if you're married with kids and have the money to own an house?

But in many areas a house is totally within reach on a tech salary.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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I've done it a bunch of times. The big thing to be aware of is that managing remote people requires better management skills, so you need a boss who cares about doing it right. I had two experiences go sideways, in both cases my manager got stressed and busy, and because I was their only remote report, they did a crappy job. Prior to them getting too busy to do a good job, it was fine. It really is a lot better if th…

so as a Canadian, remote work in US is easier to find if you remind them of w8-ben, even if they are only listing REMOTE inside USA?

Correct. It's a tax treaty form and there is no visa application required if you are only working from Canada. Many companies don't know about it and think that paying people out of the US will be a big headache, but they literally only have to fill out the one form and then not take off tax. It basically says "we both are confirming that the Canadian works in a place with a tax treaty with the US and will be paying income tax there so no tax needs to be with-held". I worked somewhere that knew this first, and then worked at 2 more places where I had to educate the payroll department about it! (They tried to send me forms that clearly said "I am a US citizen" and I was like "hellooo I can't sign this, that would be fraud".

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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I've done it a bunch of times. The big thing to be aware of is that managing remote people requires better management skills, so you need a boss who cares about doing it right. I had two experiences go sideways, in both cases my manager got stressed and busy, and because I was their only remote report, they did a crappy job. Prior to them getting too busy to do a good job, it was fine. It really is a lot better if th…

Can you elaborate a bit more on the pitch as a a Canadian?

It was pretty simple, I just wrote a cover letter that said (in better wording) "I think I'm a really good fit for your company but I am in Canada. Are you aware that you can hire me without a visa if I don't work in the US? We just need to fill out the W8-BEN and I've done it before".

Many were still not interested, but it only takes 1!

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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I am remote now (and have been on and off before), and I was most happy doing it when I had a small office shared with some other similar folks, and went in there 2 or 3 times a week. (Technically I still do, but...covid) You can still get company and even connections working around other techies who don't work for the same place as you.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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Howdy neighbor! I also work for an SF company everyone knows about and I moved to Sarasota a couple of years ago. It's the best financial decision I've ever made. Your analysis is spot on, and the Amish food is amazing. Also, I'm a night owl and now I can work from like 12pm-9pm. Working on west coast time while living on the east coast is a major life improvement for me. If anyone is considering moving to FL and buy…

I have recently started considering Florida (from Seattle). What is the advantage of Sarasota over larger metropolitan area like Tampa? We are in early 30ies, and would love to be able to walk to the ocean/gulf beach a few times a week, have a symmetric fiber Internet at home, and people to hang out with for music/games/geekery.

The problem with FL real estate is that flood zones and old construction are everywhere. You probably don't want to buy a house in a flood zone. Also, because hurricane codes were updated recently, you want to buy something recent-ish, definitely nothing older than 2002. The windows in my place are rated for a Category 5, and I'm at 50ft above sea level.

In most of Florida, Sarasota included, if you go with a traditional home, you'll want newer construction in a community. The HOA takes care of all the outside stuff like landscaping, so it's pretty much condo living except without shared walls. All the houses look similar.

The HOAs usually maintain some kind of "activity center" where you'll have a gym, pool, common area, tennis courts, etc. Again, it's pretty much like living in an SF condo, except instead of all that stuff being downstairs, it's down the street, and much larger.

If you prefer to live in an actual condo, there's plenty of those too with a walk-able downtown area, but I like not having shared walls. Also downtown is in a flood zone, so you might need to evacuate if we get a bad enough hurricane. I wouldn't be too concerned about flooding if I was buying several stories up though.

As for internet, frontier offers decent symmetric fiber (previously fios). I'm on gigabit with them and it's been fine. It's in most of the area.

Also, as a rule of thumb, you want to buy when a new community is just getting started or just finishing up. You'll get a better deal if you're one of the last houses before they shut down the sales office, or if you're one of the first to buy. Construction takes 8-12 months usually, but it's perfectly fine to have the house built while you're remote. I lived nearby with family while mine was being built, and me walking the construction site periodically wasn't particularly useful.

Hope that helps! Happy to answer any other questions you might have.

Re: Ask HN: Remote workers in a non-tech city, what's your experience?

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We should not underestimate the amount of knowledge transfer we're going to lose out on.

I learned how to be a dev from the senior devs around me in the first few years of my career.

I couldn't imagine not having that opportunity.

This is a not a small thing.

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