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In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old

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...'his company didn't think like a traditional medical institution. "We're engineers, we're scientists, computer scientists, we're cybersecurity nerds. We think a little differently than people in health care do." "We took the entire model and just threw it out the window," Doroshin added. "We said to hell with all of that. We're going to completely build on a new model...' These kinds of statements from founders sh…

From the wiki: "Chesterton's fence is the principle that reforms should not be made until the reasoning behind the existing state of affairs is understood." Ok great. "The quotation is from Chesterton's 1929 book, The Thing: Why I am a Catholic" So, Catholicism?

What do you mean?

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I know the death penalty is controversial, so let me just advocate for life without parole for committing a large-scale fraud like this against the health and lives of the public.

I agree that at some point you need to be able to say: "We just don't want person X to ever return in our society.". The big question is how do you implement such a thing? I think the English had the right idea by expelling them though I don't know if such a thing would still work in 2021...

You implement it by putting them in prison for the rest of their lives. You could just cordon off an island Alcatraz style, helicopter drop in food and supplies, and let them figure out their own shit.

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...'his company didn't think like a traditional medical institution. "We're engineers, we're scientists, computer scientists, we're cybersecurity nerds. We think a little differently than people in health care do." "We took the entire model and just threw it out the window," Doroshin added. "We said to hell with all of that. We're going to completely build on a new model...' These kinds of statements from founders sh…

Smells like Theranos 2.0 to me.

The issue with tech people is that they are so far outside of the real-world thought process and feelings. Full of grandiose ideas that fall short of delivering on the expectation and PR hype.

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Maybe this is cultural difference between the UK and the US but who the hell thinks it's ok to be blatantly profiting from a vaccine rollout? Particularly when the vaccine is being provided for free by government. Covering costs is over thing, blatant profiteering is disgusting.

Do you really think Pfizer is rolling out their vaccine for free?

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Maybe this is cultural difference between the UK and the US but who the hell thinks it's ok to be blatantly profiting from a vaccine rollout? Particularly when the vaccine is being provided for free by government. Covering costs is over thing, blatant profiteering is disgusting.

If a for profit organization is able to deliver vaccines in a more efficient manner why shouldn't they be able to make a reasonable profit? Surely that's of significant value to society?

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Maybe this is cultural difference between the UK and the US but who the hell thinks it's ok to be blatantly profiting from a vaccine rollout? Particularly when the vaccine is being provided for free by government. Covering costs is over thing, blatant profiteering is disgusting.

Even the expensive COVID vaccines are an absolute bargain compared to all the costs associated with not having them (economic, social, health, geopolitical...). The EU has just created a huge problem for themselves (which will result in extra people dying) by insisting on paying 2 dollars per dose for the AZ vaccine instead of 3 dollars or whatever. If you do the maths on that, it’s hard to find a rational or humane…

Cool, let's just have an international auction for the vaccines, then the rich countries will have ten times the doses they need to vaccinate their entire population (because you never know how the clinical trials will turn out). What about the poorer countries, you ask? Well, tough luck...

Plus, in Israel it's just half of the Israeli population, strange nobody is talking about the Palestinians.

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Maybe this is cultural difference between the UK and the US but who the hell thinks it's ok to be blatantly profiting from a vaccine rollout? Particularly when the vaccine is being provided for free by government. Covering costs is over thing, blatant profiteering is disgusting.

Do you really think Pfizer is rolling out their vaccine for free?

Pfizer is making a profit.

AstraZeneca is not as their deal with Oxford University is to produce and distribute the vaccine at cost.

Two different approaches.

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...'his company didn't think like a traditional medical institution. "We're engineers, we're scientists, computer scientists, we're cybersecurity nerds. We think a little differently than people in health care do." "We took the entire model and just threw it out the window," Doroshin added. "We said to hell with all of that. We're going to completely build on a new model...' These kinds of statements from founders sh…

Smells like Theranos 2.0 to me. The issue with tech people is that they are so far outside of the real-world thought process and feelings. Full of grandiose ideas that fall short of delivering on the expectation and PR hype.

You are right of course but I object to a 22 year old psychology student being characterized as a tech person. At best he's a Musk imitator.

The problem isn't with tech people, it's with the sleazeballs using us for cover.

Re: In Philadelphia, a scandal erupts over vaccination startup led by 22-year-old

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With his arrogant “we’re engineers let’s disrupt everything we don’t understand” attitude, he should really apply to Ycombinator. If not, I’m sure mrs bannister or peter thiel would fund him.

Making the point again that this is not an engineer but a 22-year old psych student.
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