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Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by Shared404 »

oji0hub wrote: post #412
Shared404 wrote: post #379

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I'm optimistic that PinePhone may finally be the one to do it, at least to an extent that it's usable if you're willing to hack on it.

> usable if you're willing to hack on it Most people need things just work.

I concur. But if we have a platform that is actually suitable for the community to work on, we can get to that point.

Much like Ubuntu made desktop Linux a viable prospect for many people, after being enabled by Debian, I could see a future libre smartphone being enabled by the work done on PinePhone.

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Post by golemiprague »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #347
petre wrote: post #274

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I wish Google and Apple are going to be hit with fines and regulation in the EU because of this once the comissioners have better things to occupy themselves with other than the pandemic.

If you look at any legislation that’s been proposed to address this, in the EU or anywhere else, it hasn’t been anything that’s going to make the situation any better. Lots of governments around the world are very upset that these cartels have the ability to restrict people’s access to the internet without any oversight or due process. But that’s not because they think it’s harmful for peoples access to these service…

They should be the ones wielding the power because they are elected and if we don't like their decision we can vote someone else in, we don't have any right to vote who runs Google. The whole thing is a slippery slope started by the left which they still support. Hopefully it will all crumble the same way the USSR did, but it might take time.

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Post by dextralt »

patrickaljord wrote: post #348
throwaway3699 wrote: post #290

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Don't count on PWAs. Once these free speech platforms start embracing PWAs and they become super popular, Chrome and Safari will simply censor them directly. When you will try to visit these PWAs, you will get a message that says "this website contains hate speech and has been blacklisted as it doesn't respect our terms of services for a safe and friendly browsing experience we thrive to offer our users". Any browser…

This is exactly what's going to happen, not just with PWAs but with all websites. The mechanism ("Google Safe Browsing") is in place, precedents are being set, the number of hysterical ideologues who will support that is growing.

But on the bright side, I think if it was Mozilla with 90% of the browser market and not Google, this would've happened already.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by onethought »

colechristensen wrote: post #197
onethought wrote: post #175

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But wouldn’t that bring down most software companies... terms and conditions have some pretty important legitimate uses...

No, software isn’t special, you should be able to buy it just like you buy other things.

What other things? Do you mean not using copyright as the underlying control mechanism?

how do you recoup your investment then when making software? wont everyone just pirate/duplicate it?

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Post by sitapati »

walrus01 wrote: post #289
Shorel wrote: post #272

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Newsflash: there is a chat system so secure, Google doesn't want you to know it exists.

I don't think that can be the full rationale behind whatever got it removed, if that were the case, they'd absolutely have removed Signal quite some time ago.

This would be a point weighting that Signal's servers or the network connection to the servers is compromised, in a Bayesian filter.

To put it in terms of your logic: it that were case, it means Signal is not secure.

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Post by boudin »

JBiserkov wrote: post #404

>in the interim there's https://f-droid.org/en/packages/im.vector.app/ but it's a few versions behind. Honest question: Why is the F-Droid option a few versions behind?

The release process can be quite slow on the f-droid official repository as the signing step is done on an offline machine manually. https://f-droid.org/en/docs/Security_Model

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Post by emayljames »

hiq wrote: post #202
cft wrote: post #168

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Then how do you get instant messaging notifications?

Both Signal and WhatsApp work fine. It requires workarounds from the app developers, but it's not impossible to implement.

Signal gets round it by sending an empty notification through Google's mandatory firebase service, then sending the actual message from its own service.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by [deleted] »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #299
tmpz22 wrote: post #249

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Parler curated the content on their platform for months including shadowbanning new accounts until they had been approved by volunteer moderators. Accounts on Parler called for and planned violence against elected officials for months. Executives at the company spoke often and publicly supporting that content. If your going to argue with a straight face the this new situation is the same as Parler, your putting Eleme…

> If your going to argue with a straight face the this new situation is the same as Parler Just go reread what gp wrote. He basically said the exact opposite of this. You are putting words in his mouth and interpereting his comment in the least charitable way possible.

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Post by oji0hub »

Shared404 wrote: post #419
oji0hub wrote: post #411

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> Accounts on Parler called for and planned violence against elected officials for months When Trump was elected there were riots for weeks under banners like "not my president" and "never trump". No one wrote anything about the capitol being under attack or people storming the capitol etc. Instead they were "activists" and "protesters" and to the extent anyone did anything really bad, they were "incited by Trump" so…

> No one wrote anything about the capitol being under attack or people storming the capitol[.] Because no one attacked or stormed the capitol during those protests.

I don't know what to say. For weeks people were roaming the streets, smashing windows, cars, beating people up, etc.

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