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Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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F-Droid Link: Element (previously Riot.im) (Secure decentralised chat & VoIP. Keep your data safe from third parties.) - https://f-droid.org/packages/im.vector.app

By the way, "Foxy Droid" does the same job as F-Droid but is much less annoying. Available on F-Droid.

i like g-droid as well since it lets you bookmark apps so you can check them out later

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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This is very disruptive to me. Our business chose to use Element because of the privacy and interoperability functions it afforded us through end-to-end encryption and the bridges feature (matrix.org/bridges).

Does this also affect existing installs, or only (attempted) new ones?

Only new ones. At least my installation is still there.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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It's been remarkable to watch the sad old "first they came for them..." saga play out in real time over the past few years.

At first there were just a few, heavily downvoted, voices saying that Twitter shouldn't be deplatforming obnoxious cretins on grounds of free speech principles. And now here we are with open source chat clients getting removed from the app store.

I know alot of smart people will try to argue Its Not The Same Thing, but I'm with the side that says there's a direct line through these events.

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Or they make F-Droid more known. Publishing apks yourself means you have to implement an update feature. F-Droid takes care of that

How is F-Droid conceptually different from PlayStore? They can ban anything just as well.

You can add your own repositories.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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It's trivial to sideload apps on most Android devices. You can't sideload on iOS unless you jailbreak or spend some time and money on a developer account, and even then you're rather limited on what you can do.

Side loading is clunky. If Android were really as free and open as everyone says it is, then there would be a method built into the os to download and install apps directly through the web browser, without hunting through settings and enabling it. As it is, this is barely better than iOS, and I’m kind of disgusted that everyone thinks it’s fine and normal as a solution.

It's not thaaat clunky. With my phone I click the download link, it downloads the apk, asks me if I want to allow to installing apps from the browser and then asks me to install the app. Installing a program in Windows is more complicated 95% of the time.

On top of that, if you have a rooted phone, you can use F-Droid to automatically install updates. For me updating apps from F-Droid is actually more convenient than updating apps from the play store, which I have to manually install.

There absolutely could be phone vendors selling LineageOS phones with F-Droid as the default app store. The only really important thing that would be missing for a lot of people would be WhatsApp.

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the difference is Signal is NOT federated, and matrix is. Which make it more like email, harder to censor.

Not necessarily, I run a non-federated synapse (matrix protocol) server for intranet type use. It's in an environment where it has no connection to the wider internet at all. The default matrix.org servers are federated. In terms of what the default Element install presents to the user upon launch in its GUI, I think it does offer the 'official' matrix.org servers as a place to create an account and sign in, start br…

Your users still benefit from less centralization. The main matrix.org instance might ban them for whatever reason, but their access to your internal server is not touched. It's different if all of you used Signal or Discord and their account got banned e.g. for using an alternative client.

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I got banned here for saying this but I'll continue to say it nevertheless. We are already in the Censorship Era. This is an Orwellian Nightmare. The quicker this is brought under control the better. The last thing we need is Corporate Overlords controlling what we say or do online. This includes Hacker News as well.

You got banned for saying that? I am skeptical

I was banned for "flamewar" comments that I have been indulging in "for months". Sure I was banned for the last comment that ticked the mod off (a comment against privacy violations of users who had their data stolen through theft) but the decision was not based on that alone. It was based on comments leading up to it: Most of which concern Big Tech Censorship. You can check my comments section if you are sceptical. It's publicly accessible anyways.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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You, like Parler, have been targeted by the powers that be. You may have nothing else in common other than that but, you're in the same boat it seems.

Parler curated the content on their platform for months including shadowbanning new accounts until they had been approved by volunteer moderators. Accounts on Parler called for and planned violence against elected officials for months. Executives at the company spoke often and publicly supporting that content. If your going to argue with a straight face the this new situation is the same as Parler, your putting Eleme…

> call for and planned violence

And yet, accounts that did the same for AntiFA fascists and BLM "peaceful protests" for 4 years still stand. As do the platforms (Facebook, Twitter, etc).

Banning platforms while letting those who encouraged much worse for longer isn't a way to instill confidence in unbiased decisions.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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post #390

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Wait until CBDCs roll out. Right now, it is your speech and communication. Tomorrow, it will be accessing your money. Then they will have their desired perfectly obedient population.

I've thought CBDCs ensure the opposite? Currently if you have an uninsured account at a bank, and the bank goes bankrupt, your money is gone. With CBDCs it seems to me that the money is truly yours instead of in a currency pegged to the fiat but that can always break.

I live in US and we have had FDIC as long as I remember. I'm not even sure there is such a thing as "uninsured account" in US, or if there are, why would anyone use such a bank.

https://www.fdic.gov/

It's a simple equation to grok: if utility X is only available in a digitized form on a controlled and centralized platform, then that utility is subject to central controls. And as we see, these control mechanisms will inevitably require AI moderation to scale.

You think things are bad when Google arbitrarily kicks you off gmail? Wait until it happens to your bank account. Who are you gonna call? Where are you going to go and speak out about it?

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