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Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by illustriousbear »

shripadk wrote: post #21

I got banned here for saying this but I'll continue to say it nevertheless. We are already in the Censorship Era. This is an Orwellian Nightmare. The quicker this is brought under control the better. The last thing we need is Corporate Overlords controlling what we say or do online. This includes Hacker News as well.

I think this is a fair point.

That said I think we're more a corporate oligarchy that is behaving like a feudal system.

We essentially seem to have corporate lords who are trying to appease the king government. Whether it be via censorship or other tools.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by userbinator »

hda2 wrote: post #35

OEMs and software vendors have been pushing hard towards locking-down and controlling people's computing devices and people have largely been indifferent. It genuinely seemed all was going to be lost until the tech industry went crazy exercising their control. Their recent (and imo unjustifiable) actions have clearly demonstrated to everyone what it means to hand over control. It remains to be seen whether people wil…

A lot of people already know that you can get apps directly as .apks, but the majority of them have been conditioned by corporate "propaganda" that they'll be almost certainly getting malware that way. The term "sideloading" was invented to ostracise and discourage the practice of acquiring software independently --- which was the norm up until Apple and its walled garden appeared.

But now, perhaps when sufficiently large numbers of people realise that what "malware" means to the big corporations is different from what it means to users, we'll have another mini-revolution back to the independent sharing and community trust model that the industry tried to eliminate because it would subvert their control.

I don't want to get too political here, but after seeing the outcome of the US election, and the events from then until now, I knew that stuff like this was going to happen.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by marcinzm »

illustriousbear wrote: post #46
marcinzm wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't need them, you might even enjoy life more without them. So I should probably lower the quality of my life to make a statement that will have no impact on them at all? >You can't change how they operate. Sure you can, by petitioning your government to draft laws and so on.

It's sad that your quality of life depends on Google or Facebook services. I quit Facebook along with most Google services, I feel much happier and more well adjusted than when I was using them. Meeting with family and friends is also much more interesting because I don't have a constant stream detailing their life. Good luck petitioning the government to act on it... this goes double for US businesses and people who…

>It's sad that your quality of life depends on Google or Facebook services.

Offhand the parent post would require me to give up Google Search (including via DDG), Gmail, Google Cloud, AWS, Amazon, Zappos, Audible, Comixology and Woot Shirts. I barely use Facebook or Twitter but the rest would lower my quality of life (and not just due to the large drop in employment opportunities I could take).

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by illustriousbear »

marcinzm wrote: post #53
illustriousbear wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad that your quality of life depends on Google or Facebook services. I quit Facebook along with most Google services, I feel much happier and more well adjusted than when I was using them. Meeting with family and friends is also much more interesting because I don't have a constant stream detailing their life. Good luck petitioning the government to act on it... this goes double for US businesses and people who…

>It's sad that your quality of life depends on Google or Facebook services. Offhand the parent post would require me to give up Google Search (including via DDG), Gmail, Google Cloud, AWS, Amazon, Zappos, Audible, Comixology and Woot Shirts. I barely use Facebook or Twitter but the rest would lower my quality of life (and not just due to the large drop in employment opportunities I could take).

Sure but there are plenty of perfectly acceptable alternatives to those services.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by cortesoft »

illustriousbear wrote: post #46
marcinzm wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't need them, you might even enjoy life more without them. So I should probably lower the quality of my life to make a statement that will have no impact on them at all? >You can't change how they operate. Sure you can, by petitioning your government to draft laws and so on.

It's sad that your quality of life depends on Google or Facebook services. I quit Facebook along with most Google services, I feel much happier and more well adjusted than when I was using them. Meeting with family and friends is also much more interesting because I don't have a constant stream detailing their life. Good luck petitioning the government to act on it... this goes double for US businesses and people who…

> It's sad that your quality of life depends on Google or Facebook services.

Quality of life is not a binary, where you either 'have' it or not, so I don't think it makes sense to say "your quality of life DEPENDS on google or Facebook"

Many things make your quality of life a bit better, and some things make it a bit worse, but no one says they can't have a quality life without Facebook or google.

The person is saying that stopping using Facebook and google will slightly decrease their overall quality of life, but will have zero impact on Facebook and google.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by marcinzm »

illustriousbear wrote: post #54
marcinzm wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's sad that your quality of life depends on Google or Facebook services. Offhand the parent post would require me to give up Google Search (including via DDG), Gmail, Google Cloud, AWS, Amazon, Zappos, Audible, Comixology and Woot Shirts. I barely use Facebook or Twitter but the rest would lower my quality of life (and not just due to the large drop in employment opportunities I could take).

Sure but there are plenty of perfectly acceptable alternatives to those services.

Which are, to me, of lower quality. Thus lower quality of life. Not zero quality of life. Just lower.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by cortesoft »

shripadk wrote: post #21

I got banned here for saying this but I'll continue to say it nevertheless. We are already in the Censorship Era. This is an Orwellian Nightmare. The quicker this is brought under control the better. The last thing we need is Corporate Overlords controlling what we say or do online. This includes Hacker News as well.

You got banned for saying that? I am skeptical

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by mastazi »

marcinzm wrote: post #28
throwawayboise wrote: post #24

Opt out. No Google. No Facebook. No Twitter. No Amazon. You don't need them, you might even enjoy life more without them. You can't change how they operate. But you can change how you operate.

> You don't need them, you might even enjoy life more without them. So I should probably lower the quality of my life to make a statement that will have no impact on them at all? >You can't change how they operate. Sure you can, by petitioning your government to draft laws and so on.

I quit Reddit, Amazon, Twitter, Google, Instagram and Facebook. My life has never been better. Minor inconvenience does not outweigh major improvements in my mental wellness.

(Edit: I mention mental wellness because those products, and the ads they carry, are designed to be addictive.)

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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Post by illustriousbear »

cortesoft wrote: post #55
illustriousbear wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad that your quality of life depends on Google or Facebook services. I quit Facebook along with most Google services, I feel much happier and more well adjusted than when I was using them. Meeting with family and friends is also much more interesting because I don't have a constant stream detailing their life. Good luck petitioning the government to act on it... this goes double for US businesses and people who…

> It's sad that your quality of life depends on Google or Facebook services. Quality of life is not a binary, where you either 'have' it or not, so I don't think it makes sense to say "your quality of life DEPENDS on google or Facebook" Many things make your quality of life a bit better, and some things make it a bit worse, but no one says they can't have a quality life without Facebook or google. The person is sayin…

I understand that.

I still maintain it's sad that removing Facebook/Google can have any significant drop in your quality of life. And by significant, I mean one where you're willing to debate about it.

I like to keep my happiness as far as possible from the services that some soulless multinational provides.

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