How can I install Matrix on an android phone without using the Google Play store?
F-Droid is the best way for open source apps, but also most APKs are available outside of Play Store via websites like https://www.apkmirror.com/ . It's a bit of a risk to load apps like that, though.
Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
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Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#202I hope more apps start allowing to directly download an .apk file from their website. I don't have Google Play Services or the Play store installed on my phone nor do I want to install them. Yes, it's my responsibility to update the app, whatever, just give me the file.
Then how do you get instant messaging notifications?
Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#203How can I install Matrix on an android phone without using the Google Play store?
F-Droid is the best way for open source apps, but also most APKs are available outside of Play Store via websites like https://www.apkmirror.com/ . It's a bit of a risk to load apps like that, though.
Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
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...and doesn't care about deplatforming. "We need more than deplatforming" https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-d...
Don't pretend like you're patronizing them. You're using a free browser. There's nothing they've done or can do to affect your experience within the browser, and it still remains an open browser. There's no moral hangups here beyond the ones you imagine for yourself.
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Then how do you get instant messaging notifications?
I think I don't. Sometimes I get notifications, sometimes it may take hours for me to get the notification. I rarely use instant messaging for important things, and when I do, I make sure to check my phone often so I don't miss the messages. Is this stupid? Maybe, but I'm not going to install Google's closed source crap on a device that I carry almost everywhere. If that means I become a social pariah, then so be it.
Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#207I hope more apps start allowing to directly download an .apk file from their website. I don't have Google Play Services or the Play store installed on my phone nor do I want to install them. Yes, it's my responsibility to update the app, whatever, just give me the file.
Is there a standard that could verify an apk against a certificate? ... or an I just describing building an alternative play store?
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> It's sad that your quality of life depends on Google or Facebook services. Quality of life is not a binary, where you either 'have' it or not, so I don't think it makes sense to say "your quality of life DEPENDS on google or Facebook" Many things make your quality of life a bit better, and some things make it a bit worse, but no one says they can't have a quality life without Facebook or google. The person is sayin…
I understand that. I still maintain it's sad that removing Facebook/Google can have any significant drop in your quality of life. And by significant, I mean one where you're willing to debate about it. I like to keep my happiness as far as possible from the services that some soulless multinational provides.
Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store
#209Not a friendly experience, but not insanely hard either.