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So let me ask you a question, how were they negatively impacting your mental wellbeing? I ask this genuinely, because I have a tendency to feel these tools only negatively impact people who use them in stress-creating ways. That, however, feels like victim blaming. There's a difference between a using a circular saw dangerously and a circular saw that is MADE with electrical failures that shock you. Let me give the e…

> So let me ask you a question, how were they negatively impacting your mental wellbeing? I ask this genuinely, because I have a tendency to feel these tools only negatively impact people who use them in stress-creating ways. They use highly optimized and self-optimizing techniques and psychological tricks (including A/B testing, consulting experts in cognition, using dark patterns, and everything) to get you hooked…

It's very possible I AM different. I have an insanely high tolerance for alcohol and most drugs (legal and otherwise). I've had situations where I was prescribed vicodin for months at a stretch, and when the pain was gone, half a bottle sat in the drawer until I threw it out (TMJ neuralgia and gallstones leading to gallbladder removal). If I don't look at FB for a day or two, I feel no compulsion to look at it. Sometimes I don't open twitter for weeks. I use them to fill time in the bathroom or waiting on the wife. Maybe I'm just disproportionately well-balanced. I've had incredible hard times throughout my life, so maybe I just understand what's actually important better than the average bear.

I completely agree with the echo-chamber effect, but I also don't feel Facebook or Twitter are actually good sources for political discourse or information so I'm not exactly trusting anything I see there. I think cable news is far more "addictive" and mood-warping than Facebook, though. It's totally passive, you just sit there and absorb the anxiety-laden "coming up in just minutes, how some politician is literally trying to kill you and your family with new regulations on ocean cargo ships! After these ads."

Yes, they absolutely want to boost engagement and use. Yes, they use tested algorithms to select content appealing to you. Yes, some of them even have sleazy policies on content and ads. Some types of content and some types of personalities lend themselves well to that type of information dissemination, especially right-wing content due to the more conformist/authority-pleasing nature of those mentalities. Do I think Facebook and Twitter actually want to make me angry at people? No. People that use FB and Twitter for propaganda reasons do, but that's what propaganda from any source is meant to do, highlight differences between groups and increase inter-group tension to reinforce tribal identity.

But, you didn't actually answer my question. I asked how they affected YOU, not what the goals of these platforms are. I want to hear how they actually affected a person, not how they might affect groups. I'd really like to know how Google and Amazon fit in there too. Again, feel like it boils down to "maybe you shouldn't be so affected by people you don't know and ideas you haven't checked" but also again I don't want to victim blame. I also don't generally like blaming tools for problems, so I'm trying to get more data.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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I got banned here for saying this but I'll continue to say it nevertheless. We are already in the Censorship Era. This is an Orwellian Nightmare. The quicker this is brought under control the better. The last thing we need is Corporate Overlords controlling what we say or do online. This includes Hacker News as well.

We live in an era of unprecedented communication. You can instant spread a message to millions of people at little or no cost. Compared to history (even relatively recent history) we are in no way in a “Censorship Era”, that’s utter hyperbole.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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post #77

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Are you saying that not using Google search has improved your quality of life?

Google search has gone significantly down in quality over the last year or so. Even just searching for simple things only seems to yield articles from the same 20 or so major websites, and it’s worse if you’re looking for niche items. DuckDuckGo on the other hand is starting to give relatively better and more diverse results these days.

The alternatives do not have better quality. I periodically go with DDG and realize I'm !g'ing everything.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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I quit Reddit, Amazon, Twitter, Google, Instagram and Facebook. My life has never been better. Minor inconvenience does not outweigh major improvements in my mental wellness. (Edit: I mention mental wellness because those products, and the ads they carry, are designed to be addictive.)

Are you saying that not using Google search has improved your quality of life?

It has for me. Most of my searches are pretty generic and DDG does well enough. It has a nice dark theme and is fast and clean. And the !bangs are extremely useful. Saving a couple of seconds and a couple of clicks every search when I want to land up on the arch wiki or wikipedia adds up over time and I find it hard to go back to google now.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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If anyone needs a download, you can easily install/sideload via f-droid or the app can be trivially built with './gradlew assembleDebug' (provide your own keys to build a release version)

What would be funny is if every developer who has an app in android, were to in a single day submit their own "branded" version of matrix/element.

Basically as a protest. This can have far reaching effects for anyone worried about privacy, walled gardens, competing with social networks, etc...

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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post #122

Remind me again what Fascism is and tell me how this isn't fascist.

A political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

This is Google just being enormous assholes. Nothing to do with fascism.

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So let me ask you a question, how were they negatively impacting your mental wellbeing? I ask this genuinely, because I have a tendency to feel these tools only negatively impact people who use them in stress-creating ways. That, however, feels like victim blaming. There's a difference between a using a circular saw dangerously and a circular saw that is MADE with electrical failures that shock you. Let me give the e…

This is the classic advertising doesn't work on me mentality. Whether you realise it or not, the algorithms behind these services are having a subtle impact on you and show you things for various shady reasons. For me, that was enough just to ditch those services. It's good to see that you're limiting your exposure to them though.

To be honest, advertising DOES work on me, but only insomuch as it alerts me to potential things. I presume all ads are lies, and research the thing before I by. I have a strong anti-authority reflex and trust VERY little (if anything) on face value. I don't even trust myself. "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool.”

Re: Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play Store

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post #117

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I'm in the same boat here, at least on Android alternatives such as F-Droid exist, however I'm concerned about the repercussions for MDM, as in our case (intune) we go through the Play store. My largest concern is if Apple follows suit, which could lead to large problems with our employees who use iPhones.

Recently I've been seriously considering finally ditching iPhone because I share the same concern. After all, Apple did the same to another company recently... so we know they are willing.

What other company did they do this to?
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