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Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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I'm not arguing that shutting down or regulating is the best solution, but it is the most likely outcome. How would one go about educating people? There's been a lot of ink spilled on this story and it seems to have captured the public's imagination. Not all of the reporting is accurate, but all the major media outlets get out the point that this is essentially reckless market manipulation by a group of loosely bande…

> ... essentially reckless market manipulation by a group of loosely banded individuals coordinating online. You're talking about the hedge funds, right?

Despite the fact that there are widely repeated accusations of market manipulation by specific hedge funds on reddit, there is no actual evidence for it.

I'm not saying reddit is manipulating the market either (maybe! I dunno). Just clarifying this point.

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Why is the solution always to either shut something down or to regulate? Why is educating people to act more responsibly never ever considered an option?

We require regulation, just as we require the police, because education doesn't matter to people willing to disregard ethics and harm others for their own gains.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, are you implying that what wsb is doing is unethical?

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Not when moving the price is the goal. If you trade specifically to create an unfair impression of the supply and demand of a stock that's market manipulation. Thing is no one is going to prosecute a randomer on the internet for throwing $5k at an option especially when there's no proof that it was done in bad faith.

I just don't get how WSB is engaging in market manipulation more than the 136% shorts were.

It is not market manipulation for short interest to rise above 100%. It doesn't require anything nefarious. No collusion between institutional investors required either.

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If anything is market manipulation, its shorting over 100% of a company to push down it's share price even lower and destroy the company

No single fund deliberately pushed short interest over 100%. Short interest increasing over 100% is something that happens organically when many firms want to short the same thing. No collusion required. Someone buys a stock from a short seller and sells it short themselves. I will add that short interest > 100% is a very common risk measure that firms with a short position actively track.

I don't know how to verify this, but I've heard one source claim that firms continued to short once it was already over 100%. Even if that's not strictly collusion, it sounds — to my admittedly untrained ear — like a position that the system should want to avoid.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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This is really exciting, feels like open standards, independent internet is going to continue getting extreme motivation to expand and establish, with private "freedom of speech" censorship by for-profit platforms. We're going to see more fragmentation, and growth of closed platforms perceived by users as "slightly less evil" such as telegram vs watsapp. This may also motivate the return to truly open internet ideals…

People need to stop being so lazy and throwing around the word censorship. If a bunch or teenagers come into my coffee shop and start loudly calling each autists and retards I'm going to kick them out. I'm not censoring them by kicking them out.

comparing retail investors who have voting power and economic influence over public markets to 'a bunch of teenagers' is a gross oversimplification

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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> It does feel like a watershed moment regarding hedge funds Let's wait six months. This story is being badly reported all over. I suspect the hedge funds will mostly be fine. >You get people to invest in a stock that is expected by the industry to go belly up. Seriously. It's that easy. It's not illegal. Yes, it is, it's an abusive short squeeze, which is market manipulation.

If anything is market manipulation, its shorting over 100% of a company to push down it's share price even lower and destroy the company

Intent is very important and this keeps being lost on the layman crowd. If I go to a widely publicized open forum and say: "Let's go and squeeze the shorts so that they go bankrupt, oh and here's a picture of me doing just that." that's market manipulation and in many corners of the world, that's illegal. As in, you go to jail illegal. If I short a stock because I genuinely believe it's overpriced, that's perfectly legal.

Beyond this, I'm sure there are many funds who try and successfully manipulate the markets, but they try to do it quietly. To do in blatantly in the open is basically rubbing it in the regulators face and giving them no choice but to crack down.

Nobody would notice a bunch of idiots doing this quietly. A 1 million strong mob hivemind will get noticed and will leave no choice for regulators but to come down hard on them.

This is not rocket science. It's the same sort of crowd who planned to storm the capitol, meticulously documented the evidence, posted it online (including confirmation of identity through driving licenses) and then went ahead and did the deed. They basically handed all the evidence to the feds on a silver platter.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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> The internet needs a true public square Honest question: why?

For one thing, conversations are a lot easier to have when there is an implicit rule that context is always considered when evaluating word usage. For example, the word 'autist' in the context of 'stonks' and 'wsb' is not understood to mean an attempt to mock people with disabilities and therefore unlikely to get anyone offended as a result.

South Park tried to make this argument over a decade ago and they were dead wrong.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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It's not quite that easy. You have to find a stock that's overshorted (>100% of shares here) irresponsibly (if they used e.g puts they'd be fine), buy a lot and hold it long enough. Also quite likely WSB money wasnt enough and it's only because other hedge funds jumped in that we got here. What Melvin did was risky and avoidable.

The stock doesn’t actually need to be shorted that much. We’re seeing the same thing happen with Koss, BB, and AMC right now. The infamous VW short squeeze was also caused by significantly less short interest: https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a35340727/heres-...

It looks more like a coordinated pump than a squeeze. Tons of new accounts are spamming these tickers everywhere.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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It does feel like a watershed moment regarding hedge funds. This is the first time netizens capitalize on hedge fund short favorites and it has been surprisingly easy to cause an absolute catastrophy in the order of billion losses for them. I heard Melvin Capital may even have gone bankrupt? And how to do it? You get people to invest in a stock that is expected by the industry to go belly up. Seriously. It's that eas…

Why do you separate users of /r/wsb from traders and hedge funds, as if those are different people? My guess is that majority of users there are traders and employees of such funds, simply using yet another talking space.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Mate, every medium-sized company and above has an investment by PE and VC. You can literally pull any company with above $10 mm EBITDA and there will be no more than two degrees of separation between them and Steve Cohen/any other big financiier

That's literally the point.

But by that logic anything that a company ever does can be pinned on Steve Cohen.

If he was so powerful his returns wouldn't be that shit. Last year was good for P72 but other than that they're extremely mediocre ever since they stopped insider trading lol

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