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Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by cblconfederate »

ohyes wrote: post #519
technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

Get your point across without stomping a category of disabled person and making me think you're an immature shit-for-brains who I don't want to associate with. You act like your dictionary definition of the word 'retard' is some brilliant insight. It's garbage. Everyone, everywhere, would be better off without the 'content' that you're providing. You have the right to say whatever you want and I have the right to thr…

> Grow up.

But they are immature shit-for-brains , by their own admission.

The question is why being such a person is considered unacceptable or illegal.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by zpeti »

NotPavlovsDog wrote: post #669

This is really exciting, feels like open standards, independent internet is going to continue getting extreme motivation to expand and establish, with private "freedom of speech" censorship by for-profit platforms. We're going to see more fragmentation, and growth of closed platforms perceived by users as "slightly less evil" such as telegram vs watsapp. This may also motivate the return to truly open internet ideals…

I'm slightly sceptical, because with open standards you still need to do moderation somehow. The WSB are complaining that Reddit didn't give them the mod tools they need.

I believe we're going to see fragmentation in platforms rather than open standards. And I say that because we've just launched our own reddit alternative, Retalk.com. It's also moderated, but by different standards.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by sgift »

vbezhenar wrote: post #657

I hope that those bans will reveal to more people, that Twitter, Facebook, Reddit and, now, Discord are rotten platforms. Hopefully that will create enough demand to let truly free competitors rise up.

Truly "free" competitors financed by VC that will certainly not lean on them the moment one of their financial buddies starts loosing money to people talking on their "free" platforms? I don't see it. And in the current market I don't see where else the money should come from.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by haunter »

dorkwood wrote: post #624
amvalo wrote: post #591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So calling someone R*** is not allowed but calling them shit-for-brains is, though the intended meaning is pretty much the same.

I think it's more like if the name "amvalo" caught on as an insult, which meant someone had shit for brains. Both "amvalo" and "shit for brains" would then hold the same meaning, but only one of those terms would be a needless attack on amvalo.

That's funny when your username is dork which was a pejorative word not a long ago

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by prox »

nostromo wrote: post #540
jakelazaroff wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but I also support the mods’ right to ban them for getting their point across this way. Deplatforming is itself guaranteed by freedom of speech.

They banned everyone, not just a few users. Imagine if HN’s host killed all of HN because someone used the “r word” and it wasn’t removed.

Their place, their rules. I see the continuing belief you can do anything on somebody’s else turf. Wallstreet bets could pretty much move to 4chan if they value their 4chan behavior this greatly.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ithkuil wrote: post #584
drak0n1c wrote: post #552

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idiot, stupid, moron, immature -- these terms are all much the same as retard in their origin as a neutral clinical label. These were terms referring to impairments that patients often had through no fault of their own. Why are some of those words still acceptably used negatively in a serious fashion, while others are taboo to be used even affectionately or in a neutral context? Why is your deliberately negative labe…

Words change meaning, my dear egregious etymologist. By that reasoning every nice woman is an ignorant queen. (Nice comes from latin "ne scius", and queen was the general word for woman) EDIT: egregious also flipped it's meaning; I clearly meant the old meaning of "remarkably good" You cannot just pick and choose. We live today and we understand each other based on a shared under ding of what words mean and what they…

Words change meaning over time. They do not flip over in an instant.

What I believe we're seeing is a society-wide disagreement on the connotations of the word. It will shake itself out, one way or another - but this process used to take decades and was barely noticeable. Now it takes months to years, which is catching people by surprise.

Also: the flip side of "words change meaning" is that, during a period of change, you'll encounter people using a different meaning than you. The arguments favoring the updated weight of the word we're discussing here seem frequently of the form, "$word truly means $my-meaning; surely you do not really believe it means $your-meaning, you're just pretending, and in reality you're just a hateful person who hates $me and $mine" - which is essentially twisting logic and sanity into a pretzel.

(For better or worse, I expect the "revisionists" to win over "conservatives" here, now that the updated connotations have institutional backing of big social media companies, in form of the ban policies.)

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by NotPavlovsDog »

zpeti wrote: post #702
NotPavlovsDog wrote: post #669

This is really exciting, feels like open standards, independent internet is going to continue getting extreme motivation to expand and establish, with private "freedom of speech" censorship by for-profit platforms. We're going to see more fragmentation, and growth of closed platforms perceived by users as "slightly less evil" such as telegram vs watsapp. This may also motivate the return to truly open internet ideals…

I'm slightly sceptical, because with open standards you still need to do moderation somehow. The WSB are complaining that Reddit didn't give them the mod tools they need. I believe we're going to see fragmentation in platforms rather than open standards. And I say that because we've just launched our own reddit alternative, Retalk.com. It's also moderated, but by different standards.

There is nothing preventing an open standard moderation tag that each user selects how to treat.

With such moderation tagging in place, for example, if I wanted to use Reddit but mistrust moderators, with an open treatment of data, I would be able to select to ignore their rating/per entry and use ratings by a group of users I select. (impossible to imagine Reddit doing something like this)

However, it requires I have access to core data. Today, the superusers or platform admins can prevent "controversial" entries from even being visible on the platform/subplatform/subreddit.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by lubujackson »

Ygg2 wrote: post #631
newswasboring wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. All curse words are in the dictionary. Dictionaries are for looking up meaning, not moral arbiters. What are you on about?

That ain't the issue here. Many Discords use this word, but they don't get banned. Why is WSB different?

Interesting timing for the ban, I would point out.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by [deleted] »

ukj wrote: post #633
newswasboring wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. All curse words are in the dictionary. Dictionaries are for looking up meaning, not moral arbiters. What are you on about?

Dictionaries are for looking up linguistic social norms, not meaning. To enforce any social norm/standards (even a linguistic/semantic one) is moral arbitration! A dictionary is in no position to tell me what I mean when I use the words that I use. That is why the meaning of “meaning” is circularly defined.

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Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by laurowyn »

Ygg2 wrote: post #631
newswasboring wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. All curse words are in the dictionary. Dictionaries are for looking up meaning, not moral arbiters. What are you on about?

That ain't the issue here. Many Discords use this word, but they don't get banned. Why is WSB different?

Because it's a public server, which means Discord feel it reflects on them as a business to be hosting hostile communities.

You can say whatever you want in a closed, private discord group. Discord isn't going to care if it's a server with a dozen users who are all close friends. It's when you go posting invite links everywhere and get a community in the thousands that Discord start taking an interest and enforcing their brand protection.

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