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Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by Ygg2 »

newswasboring wrote: post #555
technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

> Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. All curse words are in the dictionary. Dictionaries are for looking up meaning, not moral arbiters. What are you on about?

That ain't the issue here. Many Discords use this word, but they don't get banned.

Why is WSB different?

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by anilakar »

agumonkey wrote: post #564
px43 wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord is an app for kids to talk about playing video games. That's like being upset that you got banned for cussing someone out on Club Penguin. The target audience for Discord is kids, of course they're going to have harsher moderation policies than IRC did back in the day.

should have read the fine print at the back of the box :) /quit

Have you ever read the Discord ToS and the partnered server community guidelines? I did read the latter the first time I used the word "retarded" in a self-deprecating manner on a partnered server and was called out for it. The rules are written in a way that pretty much lets users say anything within the boundaries of the law, but the individual server owners and moderators can be held responsible for not moderating that content.

In essence, Discord's staff enforces a hidden layer of moderation behind the scenes. They contact server owners in private and point out individual members' faults and list exact words that are to be removed. In this way, server admins are encouraged to overmoderate due to the obvious imbalance (risk of losing an entire server vs losing a few users), yet they have to take flak from individual users.

I've seen server moderators removing completely legit messages afterwards and they've openly admitted that they can't risk someone perusing the chat history for ToS breaches, screenshotting individual lines of text and sending them to Discord abuse team, because Discord does not care about context, only actual words (see their anti-reclamation policy - even black hip-hop artists have been deplatformed for using the well known mother of all bad words in a positive context).

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by ukj »

newswasboring wrote: post #555
technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

> Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. All curse words are in the dictionary. Dictionaries are for looking up meaning, not moral arbiters. What are you on about?

Dictionaries are for looking up linguistic social norms, not meaning.

To enforce any social norm/standards (even a linguistic/semantic one) is moral arbitration!

A dictionary is in no position to tell me what I mean when I use the words that I use.

That is why the meaning of “meaning” is circularly defined.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by monadic3 »

technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

> Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people.

Many slurs are in dictionaries. This doesn't change the fact that there are people who don't accept this usage. The dictionary is a way to distract from your anti-social behavior.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by amvalo »

dorkwood wrote: post #624
amvalo wrote: post #591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So calling someone R*** is not allowed but calling them shit-for-brains is, though the intended meaning is pretty much the same.

I think it's more like if the name "amvalo" caught on as an insult, which meant someone had shit for brains. Both "amvalo" and "shit for brains" would then hold the same meaning, but only one of those terms would be a needless attack on amvalo.

Yeah it’s all about the 3rd party who gets insulted. I have one friend whose brother is disabled and he’s told me off for using it, which I get. Transgression is part of the appeal of curse words

I agree it’s rude but banning a discord of 50k people just for that is highly sus

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by atoav »

system2 wrote: post #528
oscribinn wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to get downvoted for this for sure, but man it's nice to see a hacker news commentator that actually has a pair.

I always get this 50+ years old super serious programmer men talking about serious things and us under 40 years olds cannot say anything without their approval. I guess I am not alone.

Huh? As someone under 40 I never remotwly had that feeling when talking to e.g. Unix greybeards or other programmers above 50.

Some of their experiences and tricks are great to learn from, some of the stuff they complain abput has been solved for a decade but they don't know it yet. I think if everybody has the feeling that we can learn from each other, we profit more from our interactions.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by hrktb »

agumonkey wrote: post #490
technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

discord is filled with 'snowflakes' (apologies if that seems insulting) I'm only a sample of 1 but on IRC I never felt surrounded by trigger happy mods. on discord I got regularly kicked without notice for some not even heated argument. if I extrapolate, this side of the web is becoming a way for people to craft tiny bubbles to fit their own little views on life.

It’s as different as how jokes flying by in a locker room would have never been told in a restaurant.

I think for better or worse old days IRC was more of a locker room, while most Discords are wide audience places, more of the restaurants kind.

You still have a galaxy of locker room types of community, I see no real need to try to carve that out of every service.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by sangnoir »

jjcon wrote: post #577
newswasboring wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. All curse words are in the dictionary. Dictionaries are for looking up meaning, not moral arbiters. What are you on about?

I think they mean it is in the dictionary as meaning idiotic person, not just a disabled person.

Presence in a dictionary doesn't mean it's not hateful though.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by SaltySolomon »

boruto wrote: post #630
Semaphor wrote: post #444

For those wondering why the sub went private for a time: > We have grown to the kind of size we only dreamed of in the time it takes to get a bad nights sleep. We've got so many comments and submissions that we can't possibly even read them all, let alone act on them as moderators. We wrote software to do most of the moderation for us but that software isn't allowed to read the Reddit new feed fast enough and submit…

Cannot they have two or three bots moderating?

The issue is really that the entire feed went buggy from all the comments, even the inbuilt too, which they are probably using called AutoModerator has delays of over 10 minutes and more instead of being instant.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by h_anna_h »

ace_of_spades wrote: post #487
6nf wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree with the way you get your point across but I support your right to get your point across this way.

I don’t really get it. Why do we keep telling people that it is support worthy to engage in name calling? Is it alright to let kids call teachers names at school? “This fucking imbecile wants me to do homework! Fuck that shit!” Maybe that’s ok now since Trump made it acceptable but it certainly wasn’t considered to be appropriate for a long time. It’s not free speech, it’s derogatory speech (for either side of those…

> This fucking imbecile wants me to do homework! Fuck that shit

This was always acceptable (and even common) as long as no teacher heard it. Not sure what Trump has to do with it. Maybe it is different in america, I hear that they are very puritan over there.

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