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Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by remarkEon »

cheph wrote: post #571
ohyes wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get your point across without stomping a category of disabled person and making me think you're an immature shit-for-brains who I don't want to associate with. You act like your dictionary definition of the word 'retard' is some brilliant insight. It's garbage. Everyone, everywhere, would be better off without the 'content' that you're providing. You have the right to say whatever you want and I have the right to thr…

> immature Get your point across without stomping a category of person.

I'm curious, do people who get upset at this word never learn classical piano? Because, well, you're going to encounter that word quite frequently if you do.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by elliotec »

WA wrote: post #582
newswasboring wrote: post #555

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> Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. All curse words are in the dictionary. Dictionaries are for looking up meaning, not moral arbiters. What are you on about?

I agree. Small nitpick: retard in WSB context is not entirely an insult. You can swap letters and come up with trader. It’s WSBs special way of saying you belong to it’s retail trader group that does stupid bets.

Yeah this is just bastardized internet dialect. The word's increasing offensiveness (for good reason of course) in most of the rest of the English speaking world isn't reflected in WSB using it as a term of endearment. I call my dogs and cat the cutest shithead fuckers all the time while feeding them off my plate, sounds bad in public but in my house with my little group it's, well, pet names.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by nindalf »

WA wrote: post #582
newswasboring wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. All curse words are in the dictionary. Dictionaries are for looking up meaning, not moral arbiters. What are you on about?

I agree. Small nitpick: retard in WSB context is not entirely an insult. You can swap letters and come up with trader. It’s WSBs special way of saying you belong to it’s retail trader group that does stupid bets.

This is really important context. WSB traders use words that some would consider offensive in an affectionate way. “Degenerate gambling addict” sounds terrible but it’s a compliment there.

Criticising people’s language without their context reminds me of Americans getting upset when they hear Spanish speakers say the word “black”.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by mdni007 »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #579
gleenn wrote: post #547

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Language isn't about beating people over the head about "mis-using" words, it's about conveying meaning. https://www.thoughtco.com/descriptivism-language-term-169044... I'm going to make an argument for linguistic descriptivism. I've never once thought, in the WSB subreddit, someone calling another an "autist" or a "retard" was ever intended to harm or disrespect people with those literal issues. It's a niche audienc…

„Retard“ has evolved and is universally regarded as an insult these days. Denying this entirely obvious fact is rather hard to square with your claim of being a linguist. The science tends to take a more descriptive approach, and to acknowledge the changing nature of language.

> „Retard“ has evolved and is universally regarded as an insult these days. Denying this entirely obvious fact is rather hard to square with your claim of being a linguist.

what exactly are you basing this "fact" on?

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by ryanSrich »

lumost wrote: post #469
ve55 wrote: post #14

And they chose today as the best possible time to enact this ban? Really? I really think they should have put more thought into the timing of this decision; a lot of users are going to be upset and will suddenly start to realize that a single company has a monopoly on their online social life (this may seem like an exaggeration, but it feels quite true to me colloquially, especially if you're a younger US male and/or…

I wonder if covid has made people view online communities as the public space. In prior years treating an online community as your sole social outlet wouldn't be viewed as healthy. Now it's almost the defacto.

I remember the days when you could say some truly deplorable shit online and almost no one would care. People who didn’t want to hear it would ignore or block and move on.

Now it seems like so many topics and words are completely off limits. It’s very restrictive and I think it’s making the web a less free, a less open, and a less fun space.

It’s extremely hard to exist online when you have not only a raging group of pro censorship PC police hell bent on removing you, but coordinated networks of platforms that will remove you in unison.

So I think it’s less that people see online communities as their public squares, and more that it’s very difficult to exist online if don’t hold the same ideas and opinions of those controlling the platforms.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by [deleted] »

Semaphor wrote: post #444

For those wondering why the sub went private for a time: > We have grown to the kind of size we only dreamed of in the time it takes to get a bad nights sleep. We've got so many comments and submissions that we can't possibly even read them all, let alone act on them as moderators. We wrote software to do most of the moderation for us but that software isn't allowed to read the Reddit new feed fast enough and submit…

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Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by est31 »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #165
crocodiletears wrote: post #66

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IIRC, The American revolution was coordinated and funded by the existing colonial administrations, with aid from France. It was a secessionist movement backed by regional business interests in response to a reassertion of imperial sovereignty by a previously lax British government. Something to be proud of, certainly. But not a grassroots thing, even if it did have some degree of popular support.

Calling it a secessionist movement isn't an apt characterization, which in US history calls to mind the Southerners' attempt to Secede from the USA. The revolutionaries, rather, considered themselves a number of independent colonies, coming together in opposition to British rule, where they were lacking in representation. They would not see themselves as "part" of Britain in a way the Southerners clearly were part of…

> However, they were fighting for an extremely immoral cause, which the 1776 Revolutionaries were not really doing

Didn't the British make a deal with the natives to not expand west?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Proclamation_of_1763

That deal happened 2 years before the revolution. If you read the declaration of independence you'll find that it is very critical of that proclamation:

> The History of the Present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted [...] He has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

It wasn't the only thing that caused the insurrection of the colonies, but it certainly was a component.

https://www.history.com/news/remembering-the-proclamation-of...

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by nindalf »

didibus wrote: post #573
gleenn wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Language isn't about beating people over the head about "mis-using" words, it's about conveying meaning. https://www.thoughtco.com/descriptivism-language-term-169044... I'm going to make an argument for linguistic descriptivism. I've never once thought, in the WSB subreddit, someone calling another an "autist" or a "retard" was ever intended to harm or disrespect people with those literal issues. It's a niche audienc…

I'm curious to know what is the meaning trying to be conveyed here which would not be received negatively by people with actual autism or caring for one?

Turn off the audio and read the subtitles on this - https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/kxmyg5/cant...

You probably recognise this scene from The Wolf of Wall Street. The text uses “degenerate”, “autist” and so on but the whole text and di Caprio’s manner strongly implies that these are positive, desirable qualities. He uses them as terms of endearment and compliments. The rest of /r/wsb is the same. Context matters.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by Griffinsauce »

amvalo wrote: post #591
ohyes wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get your point across without stomping a category of disabled person and making me think you're an immature shit-for-brains who I don't want to associate with. You act like your dictionary definition of the word 'retard' is some brilliant insight. It's garbage. Everyone, everywhere, would be better off without the 'content' that you're providing. You have the right to say whatever you want and I have the right to thr…

So calling someone R*** is not allowed but calling them shit-for-brains is, though the intended meaning is pretty much the same.

Except that "retard" is using people with a genuine genetic disorder as a stick to hit other people with.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by Kiro »

ve55 wrote: post #14

And they chose today as the best possible time to enact this ban? Really? I really think they should have put more thought into the timing of this decision; a lot of users are going to be upset and will suddenly start to realize that a single company has a monopoly on their online social life (this may seem like an exaggeration, but it feels quite true to me colloquially, especially if you're a younger US male and/or…

The timing is due to the insane influx of new users causing the server mods to completely lose control and trolls wreck havoc.

The subreddit did not go private due to the ban. You're reading too much into the headline. It depicts two separate events that are both caused by too many new users (too many new posts in the subreddit's case).

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