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I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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In graduate school, in my lab there was a grad student who was kind of an unlikely "professor's pet". He was tall and had surfer's long hair with a bit of a hippie aesthetic. Anyways, he was also really completely clueless about how to do science correctly, but also, I guess, really good about playing politics (there was a time when he asked me to put some bacterial plasmid DNA on my mammalian cells. I told him "it d…

The modern financial system is making a butchery out of honest people. I've seen it happen over and over at many different companies and industries.

Educational institutions are rotting from the inside. Idiots were being rewarded at the expense of intelligent people and now the idiots have taken over control and rewarding other idiots. If you want to know what happens next, watch 'Idiocracy' or 'Planet of the apes'. At this rate, it will certainly take less than 500 years to get there.

You can see it based on how slow scientific development has gotten; there are very few major new breakthroughs compared to before... Most of the ones that get attention are BS.

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A fried of mine reported scientific misconduct (p-hacking) and, together with a few colleagues, left the research group, due to moral harassment by the head of that group.

The university removed all of them from the research group and said they could continue working on the data because it belongs to the university.

3 months later:

- investigations of scientific fraud against the people leaving (neglecting authorship because the data could after all not be used and the head wanted a say in the articles, i.e., change them completely). Also some random other allegations that didn't stick.

- police investigation of defamation (because they reported the scientific misconduct and some other misleading statements used by the head in sales for a research-related product)

- the university now expects them to contact the head of the ex-research group to clarify questions of authorship

- the head meanwhile continues as before

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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post #34

What about Editor's ethics or lack thereof? I got accepted in a Chinese-oriented journal (i.e. most of the Editorial Board were Chinese) - I am not just 'saying' this, I'm saying because the OP mentioned "it's a Chinese thing" over results and datasets, whatever, I digress. On the last revision round, the Editor told me that I was lacking some references, which he promptly send me. Turned out that 6 out 6 of his 'rec…

So you lowered your bar huh? Who am I to judge, but I would have preferred a story with something more than the game is rigged and that's what I get to play with

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm doing pretty good, thank you! I enjoy coding, I've always been a better coder than a biochemist (likely on account of started coding at age 5, started biochemistry at age 19). I'm still doing garage science here and there, and being a programmer affords me the capability to both afford that and have some time to do it.

i have been thinking a lot about this problem. society has innumerable unsolved problems in healthcare, and many talented people who would like to contribute but cannot. in software, the open-source model allows people to advance critical initiatives without quitting their day jobs or making onerous commitments. how can we achieve the same in healthcare, that is let outsiders contribute and advance the state of the a…

> how can we achieve the same in healthcare, that is let outsiders contribute and advance the state of the art?

The Biohacking community is actually really adept, and had made a lot of progress in making Science accessible, prior to COVID you had teams already working together across continents and different time zones. So when someone like Josiah Zayner wanted to tackle a COVID vaccination trial on himself and other biohackers they already had the means and methods ready to go.

The problem is if you want to play by their (academia) rules you're never going to making any inroads, you can't publish and no one will give you a grant for your work, and you're not going to be a chair of anything for your work even if it pans out: but, certain therapies are in development that started off as Biopunk/Biohacker projects.

It's super exciting and hard but also way more work than just BSing your way in academia into a professor role as its all too common occurrence. Professional students becoming mediocre professors was a far worse problem in the Sciences than I could have ever imagined, the one's I really felt bad for were the post docs with actual meaningful research, often with severe social anxiety and poor speaking skills, but were forced to teach undergrad and simply just read the book aloud as 'lecture.' My Organic Chem professor comes to mind, my inorganic professor (did his MSc at Cambridge!) was a rockstar to us undergrads and would do office hours during his lunch hour between lab research and the university made him protest before they'd release back pay during the cuts and layoffs.. it was pathetic and I felt so bad for him, my review was scathing of the University as I left and I've never really forgiven them for that.

Obviously with no VC model in Science to follow for anything but the most brazen outliers (theranos) it's unlikely to happen. Personally I'd volunteer to help middle school or HS kids get involved in plant and Ag science and take some on in culinary if such an Industry still exists in the US after COVID and help them bypass the University track altogether. That is what I focused on after I left working in a lab, but there aren't many avenues for this model to scale to take on massive projects due to a lack of funding. And the money and stability is abysmal, but the Science and fraternity of actual Scientists doing meaningful work is probably more than half of the reason most of us decided to study it in the first place.

Chamath needs to stop pretending to care about politics and solve real problems like funding Community Science wet-labs next to libraries to help the youth care about Science in a meaningful way instead of wasting their time on tik-tok or Instagram with his billions.

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post #82

What if you had a webpage with the paper at the top and a comments section at the bottom where anyone in the world could post a rich-media post of their findings that cast doubt on some findings with regard to the original paper. We currently treat academic research by a metric of "citations", why not have a new metric where the world can be cautioned of potential issues with the result. You could use the bug bounty…

> ...anyone in the world could post...

This would be ultimately filled with trolls, nonexperts, and people with an ulterior motive or grudge: so any such effort would be less trustworthy than the original publication.

If you want to find mistakes, you can find one in every paper. The character of the mistakes is important - is it fraud, is it incompetence, does it negate the results? Or is it good science being done by a human? An open website doesn't seem to me likely to be able to draw that out.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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The article mentions Brandolini’s Law: “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than to produce it.” It's the first time I've heard it, but it's a very appropriate observation in today's world where misinformation travels faster and wider than correct information. If you're just making stuff up, it's much faster than looking up sources.

I read retraction watch every day, so I’m used to seeing stories like this. But I’m always surprised the effort people go through over articles published in garbage journals. You’re never going to even make a dent.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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In graduate school, in my lab there was a grad student who was kind of an unlikely "professor's pet". He was tall and had surfer's long hair with a bit of a hippie aesthetic. Anyways, he was also really completely clueless about how to do science correctly, but also, I guess, really good about playing politics (there was a time when he asked me to put some bacterial plasmid DNA on my mammalian cells. I told him "it d…

I'm sorry but this saddens me to no end, even I did better science during my BSc and MSc; it's not just disheartening, it's frightening. Reading this almost made me feel ill to my stomach. I don't know what else to say at the blatant disregard for scientific ethics and sense of duty. And we complain that the public at large doesn't trust us "educated" folk, well I can't see why...

My own, rather bitter, experiences with academic research in the early 1990s led me to suspect that by trying to "manage" academic research at a large scale was utterly counter productive and was optimising for all the wrong things (publications, career progression, money, politics) and was actually dramatically reducing the amount of actual science being done.

I left, co-founded a startup and never regretted it for a moment.

Edit: The point where I was sure I had to leave was when I was actually starting to play the "publications" game too well - when you find yourself negotiating with colleagues to get your name on their paper for a bit of help I'd decided things weren't really for me.

Edit2: I'd wanted to be an academic research scientist since I was about 5 or so when I actually got what I thought was my dream job I was delighted - took me a couple of years to work out why almost nothing in the environment seemed to work in the way I expected them to ("Why is everyone so conservative?") and became, as one outsider described me, "hyper cynical".

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The belief that any research is automatically true is so bogus and so abused that industries and lobbyists came to rely on it. It’s sad that then people blindly push as “it’s science”.

Main issue is the sheer amount of papers being published and the lack of capacity of the body of experts to read all of it. I guess it’s the professionalisation of research.

People publish papers to improve their rankings and not because it’s relevant.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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In graduate school, in my lab there was a grad student who was kind of an unlikely "professor's pet". He was tall and had surfer's long hair with a bit of a hippie aesthetic. Anyways, he was also really completely clueless about how to do science correctly, but also, I guess, really good about playing politics (there was a time when he asked me to put some bacterial plasmid DNA on my mammalian cells. I told him "it d…

You should tell UW about this.
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