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I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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In graduate school, in my lab there was a grad student who was kind of an unlikely "professor's pet". He was tall and had surfer's long hair with a bit of a hippie aesthetic. Anyways, he was also really completely clueless about how to do science correctly, but also, I guess, really good about playing politics (there was a time when he asked me to put some bacterial plasmid DNA on my mammalian cells. I told him "it doesn't work that way", but I did it anyways and handed over the cells, and he got the observation he was expecting). On his main project he was teamed up with a super sketchy foreign postdoc that I was convinced would say anything to get high profile papers out.

So they did a series of experiments and reported results that screamed "artefact". On one of them, for example, the postdoc got trained to use the electron microscope and they went through thousands and thousands of images to pick out the one that had "just the right morphology" (I am pretty sure they were snapping photos of salt crystals). On another, they reported that their research subject protein was so fast at the process we were studying that everything occurred IN MIXING TIME. That to me, screams "you are not doing your experiments carefully".

Meanwhile I was sweating balls working on a very careful preparation of similarly finicky proteins (you agitate them and they do bad things since they're metastable) and finally got it to produce reproducible results. I suggested they adapt my preparation to their protein but they couldn't give a damn, they had already published their paper and had moved on to sexier proteins.

But then an intern was put on the project, and she could not reproduce their results, after working on it for six months (she is careful and honest). At the end, I felt so bad for her, I offered to train her on my technique, but she passed. I think she was burned out on the project. I asked if I could get a sample of the protein that she had prepped, and she agreed.

I ran the protein through my preparatory technique and observed that there was a contamination that could have seeded the kinetics of their process. Upon isolating an uncontaminated sample, I carefully but briskly rushed the sample over to the machine. Nothing. Curious, I jacked the temperature up to get it going faster. Nothing. I left it in the machine overnight. Nothing. Finally, convinced that I had likely done something wrong, I dropped the sample in a shaker at temperature, came back the next day and recorded amazingly high signal. In short, the observation that it was "super fast" was entirely an artefact.

As I, too, was trained on the Electron Microscope, I quickly spotted my sample onto an EM disc, reserved some time and hopped on the 'scope. The first grid sector I looked at, there was literally TEXTBOOK morphology in front of my eyes.

I stapled together my results, gave it to the grad student, and told him that the general gist of his paper was probably still correct, but that he should be careful about characterizing his protein as exceptional. I then said it was in his hands to do the right thing.

What do you think he did? Nothing, of course. He kept on the talks circuit, still talking about how exceptional his discovery was, and to date there have been no retractions. He even won the NIH grad student of the year award.

The epilog is that after a decade of floundering I realized that even though I am pretty good at science, I was no good at playing academic politics and quit the pursuit; I drove for lyft/uber for a bit, and now I'm a backend dev. I am certain that my experiences are not unique. Amazingly the intern returned to our lab, and had her own three-year stint chasing ghosts that turned out to be overoptimistic interpretation of results reported by a postdoc.

Oh. What happened to the grad student? He's a professor in the genomics department at UW.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of " a lie can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on ". That precise quote is from Pratchett but there are similar, earlier citations https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/07/13/truth/

Aren't these all variations on well known aphorisms such as "publish or perish"?

That aphorism applies to publishing within the scientific community and the need for grants, tenure, results, etc.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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What about Editor's ethics or lack thereof?

I got accepted in a Chinese-oriented journal (i.e. most of the Editorial Board were Chinese) - I am not just 'saying' this, I'm saying because the OP mentioned "it's a Chinese thing" over results and datasets, whatever, I digress.

On the last revision round, the Editor told me that I was lacking some references, which he promptly send me. Turned out that 6 out 6 of his 'recommendations' were papers HE WAS ONE OF THE AUTHORS.

Since the paper was not OFFICIALLY accepted, I caved in and cited the guy (3 times), to my UTTER DISMAY.

If you don't play the game, other Chinese are playing the game and having the results.

I don't mean to insult Chinese people, but this is what is happening...

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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In graduate school, in my lab there was a grad student who was kind of an unlikely "professor's pet". He was tall and had surfer's long hair with a bit of a hippie aesthetic. Anyways, he was also really completely clueless about how to do science correctly, but also, I guess, really good about playing politics (there was a time when he asked me to put some bacterial plasmid DNA on my mammalian cells. I told him "it d…

No wonder we have a crisis of faith in our institutions.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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In graduate school, in my lab there was a grad student who was kind of an unlikely "professor's pet". He was tall and had surfer's long hair with a bit of a hippie aesthetic. Anyways, he was also really completely clueless about how to do science correctly, but also, I guess, really good about playing politics (there was a time when he asked me to put some bacterial plasmid DNA on my mammalian cells. I told him "it d…

I just wanted to say that this resonated with me, as a former grad student involved in protein research who is now doing dev work. I hope you're doing well these days!

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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Dr. Elizabeth Bik is making efforts to detect image fraud in scientific papers and reading her findings has made me quite worried about not only the general accuracy of the data from lesser-known universities, but how difficult it is to retract/correct those through journals. Check out her Twitter if you’re interested in the topic: https://mobile.twitter.com/microbiomdigest

Not sure why you’re particularly worried about lesser known universities? These issues seem to have more to do with the state of science and the review process than the prestige/fame of any particular university. I’m pretty worried about the well known universities as well, in particular the expectations and pressure to perform can affect people’s work and decision making.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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In graduate school, in my lab there was a grad student who was kind of an unlikely "professor's pet". He was tall and had surfer's long hair with a bit of a hippie aesthetic. Anyways, he was also really completely clueless about how to do science correctly, but also, I guess, really good about playing politics (there was a time when he asked me to put some bacterial plasmid DNA on my mammalian cells. I told him "it d…

this is incredible. And I thought I had it bad with politics in tech companies... this is some next level not giving a fuck right there - people who cheat like that should be punished severely, and work as supermarket cashiers, not become fricking professors. Unfortunately, I too, were I in your shoes, wouldn't pursue it much further past filing a formal complaint or two: the game is asymmetrical, it's much harder to nail someone for wrongdoing than it is for them to fudge up some lab results. Not to mention the emotional toil and waste of time and potential political blowback the would be whistle blower would suffer...

Pretty depressing stuff.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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In graduate school, in my lab there was a grad student who was kind of an unlikely "professor's pet". He was tall and had surfer's long hair with a bit of a hippie aesthetic. Anyways, he was also really completely clueless about how to do science correctly, but also, I guess, really good about playing politics (there was a time when he asked me to put some bacterial plasmid DNA on my mammalian cells. I told him "it d…

No wonder we have a crisis of faith in our institutions.

the irony is that the intern after three years of suffering, twisted the arm of our PI and convinced him to do the right thing and got an 11-page retraction identifying and confirming the source of her artifact. This diligence got her a job at a big pharma company.

Of course her paper should have been a cautionary tale, but there are still people using the flawed technique for high-throughput studies to this day.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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post #36

In graduate school, in my lab there was a grad student who was kind of an unlikely "professor's pet". He was tall and had surfer's long hair with a bit of a hippie aesthetic. Anyways, he was also really completely clueless about how to do science correctly, but also, I guess, really good about playing politics (there was a time when he asked me to put some bacterial plasmid DNA on my mammalian cells. I told him "it d…

I just wanted to say that this resonated with me, as a former grad student involved in protein research who is now doing dev work. I hope you're doing well these days!

I'm doing pretty good, thank you! I enjoy coding, I've always been a better coder than a biochemist (likely on account of started coding at age 5, started biochemistry at age 19). I'm still doing garage science here and there, and being a programmer affords me the capability to both afford that and have some time to do it.
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