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Re: Split keyboards and how to build them

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I just use the one Microsoft sells for $60. What am I missing? https://www.bestbuy.com/site/microsoft-ergonomic-keyboard-bl...

On a split keyboard with two halves, you can independently move the two halves around. This is great if you don't like the Microsoft-designed angle or want to change the positioning.

Other than that, probably just customizability in terms of switches, keycaps, etc.

Re: Split keyboards and how to build them

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I read a blog post on Coding Horror back in the mid 2000s about the importance of a good chair. It really opened my eyes and convinced me that, regardless of the cost, an ergonomic working environment is worth every penny. So fast forward about two decades ... and I finally bought my first ergonomic chair... It's stunning how stubborn we can be, even when we know for certain that something is good for us. I don't eve…

I'm in the market for a new chair. Which one did you buy? (Or if you'd rather teach me to fish, how did you decide on one?)

There are a couple of HN threads specifically about chairs. I looked for those using the search feature and just tabulated what was most commonly recommended. That ended up being the Steelcase Leap, which is the one I got (or rather, the Leap V2).

Most importantly, I bought from a reputable place that did free returns.

Not much to it, really. The price tag is what really made it hard for me to pull the trigger. But after the fact I can say that, while this chair may or may not be "perfect", it's 10x better than the cheap one it replaced. So yeah, worth every penny.

Re: Split keyboards and how to build them

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I think bluetooth is just hard to get right. I was recently in the market for a Filco Majestouch Minila keyboard. I was very scared off by a few reviews which said that bluetooth just stopped working after a while. Is $500 worth it if it could break after a year? Maybe if it was under warranty. Anyway I opted for the wired version. Never mind my Logitech MX Master 2 mouse which I could never get to work using Bluetoo…

A USB dongle would be fine! If there was a FOSS one as good as the Logitech Unifying Receiver that would be incredible. I use the Redox Wireless [1], maybe check that one out? The receiver has an incredibly small range though, and it's not low profile unfortunately... [1] https://falba.tech/19644-2/?v=24d22e03afb2

This looks super promising, thanks!

Re: Split keyboards and how to build them

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I think bluetooth is just hard to get right. I was recently in the market for a Filco Majestouch Minila keyboard. I was very scared off by a few reviews which said that bluetooth just stopped working after a while. Is $500 worth it if it could break after a year? Maybe if it was under warranty. Anyway I opted for the wired version. Never mind my Logitech MX Master 2 mouse which I could never get to work using Bluetoo…

There are bluetooth adapters meant to convert a USB keyboard to a wireless one. Maybe worth a shot?

It’s not just a Bluetooth adapter, the ergodox has a wired connection between the two halves as well. Really I want to everything to be wireless.

Re: Split keyboards and how to build them

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One thing I'm always curious about, especially with some of the layouts of keyboards with multiple "layers" to accomplish things: Do people using these keyboards as their daily driver have trouble adapting to normal keyboards they need to use from time to time. I suppose I could try one and find out if it's an issue for me, but I'd be worried I get deep into this rabbit hole only to find I'm useless if I have to work…

I use an ergodox at home and the macbook keyboard at work. I don't really have any issues these days. What does stuff me up for a while is when I remap a key on the ergodox it takes a while to stop hitting the wrong key but I guess the macbook keyboard is so different that its basically a totally different thing to my brain like how typing on a phone is.

Re: Split keyboards and how to build them

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I'm curious why none of these split designs ever feature a trackball on the right half integrated into the board somehow. There are plenty of FOSS trackball designs, it seems like it would just make sense, especially for ergonomic designs, to have a trackball set up where you don't have to move your hand over to move a cursor. Also I don't understand why they're always missing function keys.

This would solve one of the biggest problems I have with split keyboards; where do I put my mouse? At least I'm using a Logitech Ergo Trackball, which means that I can predictability move from the keyboard to the mouse, but there is no easy way of positioning a keyboard like the ErgoDox EZ while still comfortably using the mouse as well. I ended up switching to a smaller Razer BlackWidow Lite as it allows for a more…

Have you tried putting it between the two parts of the keyboard? I’ve found that to work for me.

Re: Split keyboards and how to build them

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Has anyone tried a split keyboard with an old cell phone or other display (perhaps propped up a bit) in between? There ought to be some end-of-life app(s) for all the obsolete-or-insecure Android models out there, rather than have billions of them go to landfills. We need uses-cases and options. It might not be some new kbd/display/other-hid co-design, but but might be.

I'm an Android developer and I have stands for 2 phones between my split keyboard (the Kinesis Gaming model, used to have the Advantage which I also love).

I keep the phones between my keyboard to focus on during development which doesn't address the more interesting part of your question.

I have many old phones around now, some that can't even be updated to support the minimum OS of the app I am building. So I have tried to figure out what to do with the old phones.

Most common android reuse case: IP Camera. There are a few different apps which turn your phone into an IP Cam. I have used old phones to watch my 3D printer, explore under the floor in my house (phone attached to stick), to watch/record plants grow, and as a security cameras. The problem is, often with these old phones, streaming live video will drain the battery faster than the charger can charge it. I'm still looking at workarounds for this latter issue. Depending on what you are trying to film it can be surprising how "good" the old Android cameras are.

I usually use this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pas.webcam...

The other thing I have done is turn them into dashboards, this is more applicable to tablets though.

Re: Split keyboards and how to build them

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They finally released the trackball module? Cool... I'll have to look for some reviews - I'm concerned the actual trackball looks a bit small? Edit: are you sure they started shipping? the shop page still says under development?

been waiting on those for years, they have not started to ship

Yeah - they're really seeming like vaporware... :-(

Given how small the trackball is, I'm not sure if I'd prefer the trackball or trackpoint/electric eraser

Re: Split keyboards and how to build them

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I keep looking for something like a mechanical version of the MS Sculpt keyboard. I like that the sides are solidly attached, the slight tenting, and that there's a bit of a profile to the keys--they're not just planar. Too many of the ergonomic split keyboards are infinitely adjustable, but the adjustments are finicky.

Re: Split keyboards and how to build them

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I get that these are expensive... But they might be a career saver. Listen to your body. If your fingers and wrists are telling you something, take action. It doesn't have to be an expensive split. (I have an ergodox with the Norman keyboard layout with other firmware goodies as well as running AutoHotKeys to give me emacs bindings all over the place.)

> But they might be a career saver.

Seriously. I'll also plug vertical mice. They look goofy, but it's a better wrist position.

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