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Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by devmunchies »

tjr225 wrote: post #58
devmunchies wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes. I want as little govt intervention as possible. But nobody is calling for govt intervention here. we want public sentiments to continue to fester so we can be rid of google the natural way—competition. Your calls for defending company speech seem out of place. The article clearly talks about building alternatives. We are simply complaining about google and your sarcastic suggestions were for violating their righ…

I’m sorry but I think if you believe that google can be cancelled by public opinion you are out of touch with the economic and social reality that we are in. I would be happy to be wrong, however. Also; only one of my suggestions was sarcastic.

> I’m sorry but I think if you believe that google can be cancelled by public opinion you are out of touch

Then what's your solution? you want govt censorship? they have rights! you should read the constitution.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by emptyparadise »

marcinzm wrote: post #82
emptyparadise wrote: post #46

My question to everyone supporting restrictions on speech and supporting privacy violations, even for good reasons, is this: are you prepared to have these tools fall into the wrong hands? The same methods used to quickly shut down a dangerous website or to track down a terrorist by their online posts can be used to silence protests and to hunt down political opposition.

That is why I prefer these tools be used by private organizations to enforce their own private rules rather than being managed by government mandate. That ensures that enough social rules exist to maintain society but not rules which are so ingrained in law as to prevent progress or allow trivial total abuse.

Would you support breaking the near-monopolies that certain organizations have?

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Post by JCharante »

emptyparadise wrote: post #79
bawolff wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What tools are these actually - the delete button? When it comes down to it - i like moderated spaces on the internet. I dont want to wade through spam, not to mention violent and abusive content. I don't like seeing shock images. So yes, i support having moderation. The question to me is not: yes/no moderation, its where you draw the line; what are your policies and how are they enforced. Fundamentally i think the s…

>Fundamentally i think the solution is competitors. This was a much easier position to take when the web did not just have a few social media giants with network effects, but still: if youtube becomes to dranicon, start a new website. The tools to stream video (albeit not at scale) are just an apt-get away. I agree. I wouldn't have a problem with YouTube doing anything if YouTube wasn't the video website. We need dec…

Decentralization of hosting responsibilities would certainly help bring down costs which is usually what makes it hard to make a competing hosting site. Then again any popular website _is_ going to need to go beyond standard protocol practices and try to censor certain illegal content.

We could just change our culture to be satisfied with 720p content and use traditional websites that don't use p2p tech. Like, we could all just start using bilibili.com or some other chinese competitors instead of youtube.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by KingMachiavelli »

Aerroon wrote: post #54
creata wrote: post #14

To Jordan Chariton exclaiming in all caps: > How are journalists supposed to chronicle history if YouTube — and others — are outlawing it? Regardless of what YouTube says, they are an advertiser-friendly entertainment website. Why in God's name would you use it to "chronicle history"?

Because people use what they know and have. There are probably way better tools out there for most things, but if people don't know of their existence or how to use them, then they won't use these better tools. Look at Minecraft. Some people end up building absolutely incredible things in it. Detailed art . Imagine if they had used a 3D modeling program instead! But those are way harder to use and way less inviting.…

But I would not want to turn Minecraft into a 3D modeling program just because some people use it that way. Similarly, I do not want some external institution to force Youtube to become a video storage platform despite some people using it that way.

From a purely journalistic perspective, it is pretty cheap to run your own site. You can use efficient video codecs and there are many cheap VPS and CDN providers. New technology like peertube and IPFS can make this even cheaper. Taking a for-profit platform like Youtube and forcing it to cater to certain needs just makes it an even more entrenched part of peoples lives. Letting Youtube make itself worse for some purposes/topics encourages users to create and use other platforms.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by root_axis »

emptyparadise wrote: post #46

My question to everyone supporting restrictions on speech and supporting privacy violations, even for good reasons, is this: are you prepared to have these tools fall into the wrong hands? The same methods used to quickly shut down a dangerous website or to track down a terrorist by their online posts can be used to silence protests and to hunt down political opposition.

Nobody is being hunted, that's pretty hyperbolic. If YouTube were silencing protests I wouldn't like that, but I don't rely on YouTube to understand what's going on in the world and I would encourage anyone concerned about YouTube's content policy to consider visiting other websites on the internet in addition to YouTube.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by CivBase »

creata wrote: post #14

To Jordan Chariton exclaiming in all caps: > How are journalists supposed to chronicle history if YouTube — and others — are outlawing it? Regardless of what YouTube says, they are an advertiser-friendly entertainment website. Why in God's name would you use it to "chronicle history"?

YouTube is not just a platform to host vidoes on. It's a search engine, content feed, and social network. There is no adequate replacement. You can back up your videos somewhere else, but there isn't anywhere else that offers a comparable package.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by artificial »

devmunchies wrote: post #43
arthurcolle wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. By definition, sound is just the way that some creatures interpret waves propagating through the air that hit their weird inner ear structures that gets translated through neural pathways into meaningful qualia

so if you publish on an alternative platform and nobody reads it... no sound.

“But the plans were on display…” “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.” “That’s the display department.” “With a flashlight.” “Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.” “So had the stairs.” “But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?” “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

technick wrote: post #73

I'm starting to look forward to the downfall of any of the FAANGs that become censorship happy. This shit has to stop and I know the 1st wasn't mean for private business, but now that private business has such a reach, it needs to be forced on them.

I feel like I must be crazy that “speech loophole” is a serious term being thrown around at all.

We can wish them gone all we want, but man I just don’t see it happening.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by erikpukinskis »

technick wrote: post #73

I'm starting to look forward to the downfall of any of the FAANGs that become censorship happy. This shit has to stop and I know the 1st wasn't mean for private business, but now that private business has such a reach, it needs to be forced on them.

Where would your law end? I’m curious how you’d write it...

Would it be something like:

“No person may delete content which has been made publically accessible on a server they administer without a court order demanding that content’s removal”?

Would you have a certain size threshold, like the law kicks in when you hit 1 million monthly uniques?

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Post by cutitout »

emptyparadise wrote: post #46

My question to everyone supporting restrictions on speech and supporting privacy violations, even for good reasons, is this: are you prepared to have these tools fall into the wrong hands? The same methods used to quickly shut down a dangerous website or to track down a terrorist by their online posts can be used to silence protests and to hunt down political opposition.

> are you prepared to have these tools fall into the wrong hands?

No, they aren't, and when that time comes around they won't own up to the sophistry they spout today.

Nobody has the right to leave it up to them. That is all there is to say. Don't ask the most spineless percentile, no matter how large, how to handle issues of this importance.

edit: oh fuck off with your cowardly button clicking already. If you can't own it, it's shit. Cope with it.

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