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Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

#51
...speech loopholes?

Oh that's right... The first amendment only applies to printed materials and live spoken word. The founding fathers couldn't have foreseen social media, and certainly would have worded the amendment differently if they saw how powerful Twitter was.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

#52
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly YouTube doesn’t want to be a public square.

In that case, they should forgo their section 230 protections and stand boldly as the *publisher* they want to be.

What makes you think publishers don’t have section 230 protections? Have you ever been to the opinion or comments sections on Fox News?

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

#53
post #14

To Jordan Chariton exclaiming in all caps: > How are journalists supposed to chronicle history if YouTube — and others — are outlawing it? Regardless of what YouTube says, they are an advertiser-friendly entertainment website. Why in God's name would you use it to "chronicle history"?

I am also confused by the implication that if something wasn't posted to YouTube, it didn't happen.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

#54
post #14

To Jordan Chariton exclaiming in all caps: > How are journalists supposed to chronicle history if YouTube — and others — are outlawing it? Regardless of what YouTube says, they are an advertiser-friendly entertainment website. Why in God's name would you use it to "chronicle history"?

Because people use what they know and have. There are probably way better tools out there for most things, but if people don't know of their existence or how to use them, then they won't use these better tools.

Look at Minecraft. Some people end up building absolutely incredible things in it. Detailed art. Imagine if they had used a 3D modeling program instead! But those are way harder to use and way less inviting. So, Minecraft it is.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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post #14

To Jordan Chariton exclaiming in all caps: > How are journalists supposed to chronicle history if YouTube — and others — are outlawing it? Regardless of what YouTube says, they are an advertiser-friendly entertainment website. Why in God's name would you use it to "chronicle history"?

> Regardless of what YouTube says, they are an advertiser-friendly entertainment website. Why in God's name would you use it to "chronicle history"?

I don't understand this argument at all. The entire Fourth Estate in the US has always been primarily paid for by advertisers, and just saying YouTube is an "entertainment website" seems like a poor attempt to say it can only be used for cat videos or something.

YouTube is the largest video distribution network on the planet. Of course I think someone would use it to chronicle video history.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

#57
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly YouTube doesn’t want to be a public square.

In that case, they should forgo their section 230 protections and stand boldly as the *publisher* they want to be.

You can't forgo them voluntarily, the section makes it a fact that a service and the service's users cannot be treated as the 'publisher' of content if all they do is re-broadcast or propagate said content. The only way this dream scenario happens is if Google's lawyers put out a statement saying "we accept full responsibility for user-generated content and welcome anyone to sue us over such content, and we will not argue that we are protected under section 230 in court" - and even then, the judge of that court case could still rule that they're protected under 230 since it's law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

#58
post #36

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I am in no way defending google. Fuck google. I don’t use google to the greatest extent of my abilities. I’m defending a private entities right to free speech. I’m a white knight for the constitution and if you’re American, you should be too. Public opinion should change and we should have alternatives; but as long as google and amazon hold monopolies on internet infrastructure option C can’t happen. We shouldn’t be…

yes. I want as little govt intervention as possible. But nobody is calling for govt intervention here. we want public sentiments to continue to fester so we can be rid of google the natural way—competition. Your calls for defending company speech seem out of place. The article clearly talks about building alternatives. We are simply complaining about google and your sarcastic suggestions were for violating their righ…

I’m sorry but I think if you believe that google can be cancelled by public opinion you are out of touch with the economic and social reality that we are in. I would be happy to be wrong, however.

Also; only one of my suggestions was sarcastic.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

#59
post #25
post #6

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I had to squint to read the email, but I think it’s specific to live streams. I’m going to guess that the original intention was to block suicide / snuff live streams. Though that’s pure speculation on my part.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world/new-zealand-mosque-s... Maybe they don't want livestreams like this?

Well too goddamn bad.

That's part of life in a post-Enlightenment world.

You don't get to have the all the great shit without all the worst shit along with it.

The very nature of freedom means at some point, someone is going to do something you don't like. And I don't mean the mosque shooting. That was illegal. I mean part of having a free society means you have put up with people saying crazy nonsensical bullshit that any reasonable person would laugh at and then click on a new video. And you're going to have some group of people who are just dumb, or are easily impressionable, or are easily persuaded, or are whatever.

Maybe the sickness isn't in the platform, either... maybe the sickness is somewhere else... and nobody wants to bother with it because its actually hard, and will actually cost money to deal with it.

And to that, I also say, "Too goddamn bad." Its not a buffet and you don't get to choose, you have to accept the whole dinner, the hákarl along with the strawberry cheesecake.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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post #49
post #11

What did you expect? Several years ago Google openly declared that they are turning evil :)

The "And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!"[1] line is still in Google's Code of Conduct. All they did is remove a line from near the start; it's always been there at the end as well. [1] https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/

And if an employee takes this rule seriously and speaks up, they fire them: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/03/timnit-...
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