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The Serval WS from System76: A Linux Workstation Running PopOS

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Re: The Serval WS from System76: A Linux Workstation Running PopOS

#31

Never understood this company. Lenovo and Dell sell computers with Ubuntu or Fedora pre-installed, that have been tested and are guaranteed to be fully compatible with Linux. Why would you go with System76, which is selling rebranded Clevo laptops with a markup, and PopOS, which is an Ubuntu derivative?

They ship with coreboot, right? Could be for the free software + firmware

That's Librem.

Re: The Serval WS from System76: A Linux Workstation Running PopOS

#33

Never understood this company. Lenovo and Dell sell computers with Ubuntu or Fedora pre-installed, that have been tested and are guaranteed to be fully compatible with Linux. Why would you go with System76, which is selling rebranded Clevo laptops with a markup, and PopOS, which is an Ubuntu derivative?

> Never understood this company. Lenovo and Dell sell computers with Ubuntu or Fedora pre-installed, that have been tested and are guaranteed to be fully compatible with Linux.

This hasn't always been the case. System76 has been around since 2005.

> Why would you go with System76, which is selling rebranded Clevo laptops with a markup, and PopOS, which is an Ubuntu derivative?

To support a company whose entire purpose is to provide hardware running Linux, as opposed to one which does it as a small niche within their much larger Windows-based business.

Re: The Serval WS from System76: A Linux Workstation Running PopOS

#34

Never understood this company. Lenovo and Dell sell computers with Ubuntu or Fedora pre-installed, that have been tested and are guaranteed to be fully compatible with Linux. Why would you go with System76, which is selling rebranded Clevo laptops with a markup, and PopOS, which is an Ubuntu derivative?

Many laptops are rebranded from ODMs. PopOS has some nice touches over Ubuntu. Plus you get official, dedicated support.

It comes with a premium because they're a small OEM, but it's not THAT bad of a deal.

Re: The Serval WS from System76: A Linux Workstation Running PopOS

#35
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

THIS. Plenty of kinda nice Linux laptops out there, but with a terrible, terrible screen. For example, a MBP 13" has 2x resolution than this 15". This is a monumental deal breaker for the majority of people.

Have a look at the Dell offerings. The Developer Edition of the XPS 13 is a linux-first example: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebo... (This post made from an XPS-13 7390 with a standard-HD display. The standard display is quite pleasant to use. The keyboard is wonderful compared to my crouton Chromebook of the past. The fit, finish, and operation of the device is the nicest I've used.)

Oh that's funny, I have the same laptop with you!

$ neofetch --off

  sscarduzio@nash 
  --------------- 
  OS: Ubuntu 20.10 x86_64 
  Host: XPS 13 7390 2-in-1 
  Kernel: 5.8.0-40-generic 
  Uptime: 3 days, 10 hours, 34 mins 
  Packages: 3506 (dpkg), 14 (flatpak), 27 (snap) 
  Shell: bash 5.0.17 
  Resolution: 1920x1200 
  DE: GNOME 
  WM: Mutter 
  WM Theme: Yaru-dark 
  Theme: Yaru-dark [GTK2/3] 
  Icons: Yaru [GTK2/3] 
  Terminal: gnome-terminal 
  CPU: Intel i7-1065G7 (8) @ 3.900GHz 
  GPU: Intel Iris Plus Graphics G7 
  Memory: 7620MiB / 15781MiB 
I use fractional scaling hidpi (1.3x) and no issues at all. But coming from a 2015 MBP 13" retina display, I can definitely tell the difference, and the MBP was much nicer to look at.

I opted fro the FHD+ instead of the 4K screen in my Dell for two reasons:

- 4K is *WAY* beyond Retina, which is already very dense for me.

- I was afraid the 4K would drain the battery (especially on Linux)

I really hope Dell will offer a sane ~3K display (i.e. Retina levels) in the future and remove the burden of choice for their customers (at least where it's not needed).

Before you ask: no coil whine for me, but the thin rubber feet peeled off after exactly one year. This pissed me off on a £2K laptop.

Re: The Serval WS from System76: A Linux Workstation Running PopOS

#36

Never understood this company. Lenovo and Dell sell computers with Ubuntu or Fedora pre-installed, that have been tested and are guaranteed to be fully compatible with Linux. Why would you go with System76, which is selling rebranded Clevo laptops with a markup, and PopOS, which is an Ubuntu derivative?

1) To support a linux-first vendor as oppose to multibillion dollar manufacturers throwing the community bones. 2) Commitment to open source and privacy, with open source firmware, their attempts to counteract Intel ME, etc. 3) Gaming and 3D ready laptops 4) Integration with their own distro 5) Actual professional customer support for linux (how capable or even human would Dell and Lenovo’s customer support be for their linux computers?)

I actually can’t think of a good reason outside of price to not get a computer from a linux first vendor like S76.

Re: The Serval WS from System76: A Linux Workstation Running PopOS

#37

Never understood this company. Lenovo and Dell sell computers with Ubuntu or Fedora pre-installed, that have been tested and are guaranteed to be fully compatible with Linux. Why would you go with System76, which is selling rebranded Clevo laptops with a markup, and PopOS, which is an Ubuntu derivative?

I've had the best Dells and Lenovo's for Linux and it's still not as good as my System76 integration. With my 76, I just use it and upgrade it, with the others I always have little things that don't quite work unless I cast a magic spell and turn around 4 times.

100 percent of my 76 laptop works, not just 99 percent like the others.

Re: The Serval WS from System76: A Linux Workstation Running PopOS

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

THIS. Plenty of kinda nice Linux laptops out there, but with a terrible, terrible screen. For example, a MBP 13" has 2x resolution than this 15". This is a monumental deal breaker for the majority of people.

Is there much difference when looking at text on an 13" screen between 1080p and 2160p ? assuming both are high quality screens.

Yes there is! Because in the MBP 13" at 2160p I could keep 2x scaling, which is much better than this 1.3x/1.5x fractional scaling I have to keep in the Dell XPS 13".

Re: The Serval WS from System76: A Linux Workstation Running PopOS

#39

Does System76 make a laptop with a high dpi screen? It seems that is table stakes these days...Seems like this is a pretty expensive laptop (portable desktop), but perhaps for gaming it's not a big deal. However, if you are programming or doing some other text intensive activity the low-dpi screens would be deal breaker.

THIS. Plenty of kinda nice Linux laptops out there, but with a terrible, terrible screen. For example, a MBP 13" has 2x resolution than this 15". This is a monumental deal breaker for the majority of people.

I am typing this on a Dell XPS 15 w/ a 4K OLED running Gentoo .

But more to your point, yes, there are few laptops with good screens that have awesome Linux compatibility. They exist, certainly, but there are not too many of them.

Re: The Serval WS from System76: A Linux Workstation Running PopOS

#40

Does System76 make a laptop with a high dpi screen? It seems that is table stakes these days...Seems like this is a pretty expensive laptop (portable desktop), but perhaps for gaming it's not a big deal. However, if you are programming or doing some other text intensive activity the low-dpi screens would be deal breaker.

As an owner of a HiDPI laptop, I'm here to tell you that if you want to connect it to an external monitor, you will be disappointed in Linux. For a laptop-monitor combination in Linux, standard resolution is absolutely the way to go. This isn't a rant. Mad, mad respect for Linux here, and longtime Linux user. KDE only offers a single scaling factor, so you must scale the laptop and the external screens identically. T…

Why not change the resolution on the laptop? Both my laptop and monitor have the same screen resolution, but I have configured Cinnamon to set the laptop display to only 1920x1080 when the external monitor is attached so its more readable at a distance. When unplugging hdmi the laptop display switches back to full resolution automatically.
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