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Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by donohoe »

freebuju wrote: post #101
dmitriid wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can advertise without bulk collection of personal data.

Yeah, but personal data is way more profitable. Hence why every popular site puts all the opt-out buttons & privacy terms behind tiny fonts placed in some hidden inconspicuous corner. I recently stopped thinking of myself as an Internet user on the web but rather an advertising ID holder.

I would dispute the profitability of contextual vs personalized advertising (see NYT’s experience) but is too early and coffee hasn’t kicked in yet.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

Bug or user hostile design?

Grindr presents me the third party data choice dialog every day. Sometimes multiple times per day. I reject every time. Also, it forgets that I set my units to metric regularly. Grindr is a mess. Besides it big user base, it is a garbage app.

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Post by dthul »

Vinnl wrote: post #16

> Grindr is now relying on a new consent system and alleged "legitimate interest" to use data without user consent. This is in conflict with the decision of the Norwegian DPA, as it explicitly held that "any extensive disclosure ... for marketing purposes should be based on the data subject’s consent". This "legitimate interest" shenanigans is coming up more and more often, where you have a modal with lots of options…

On some websites I get a tracking / cookie consent popup which, if I choose not to consent to everything, leaves me hanging for a _very_ long time while "saving my settings". I am talking about 30-60 seconds here. That must be deliberate to keep you from denying consent. I forgot which company it was but I immediately recognize those popups.

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Post by Laarlf »

gspr wrote: post #84
Laarlf wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, same thoughts. The gdpr didn’t change much but made small companies like these more vulnerable and web browsing more unbearable. Data is still getting collected and big companies don’t care.

> The gdpr didn’t change much but made small companies like these more vulnerable and web browsing more unbearable. Data is still getting collected and big companies don’t care. You do know that GDPR fines scale with revenue ?

Do you see Google, Microsoft and Apple? It’s nearly been 3 years and they don’t really seem to care. Pretty sure the EU is too scared to touch them.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by xtracto »

The GDPR has always amazed me. It changed the playing field from "you can use our free app as long as you give us data for marketing or not use it" to "you can provide a free service in the EU as long as you dont collect data for marketing or dont provide it"

Without making a judgement on the merits of the approach, as a user/individual I appreciate the power this gives to protect my data. As a company/developer the conplexity of navigating the landmines that this poses makes me understand why a lot non EU companies decide to just block EU users. Is it "good riddance " in both cases? Maybe, but still the fact that innovating becomes more expensive sits there.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by spoiler »

dthul wrote: post #123
Vinnl wrote: post #16

> Grindr is now relying on a new consent system and alleged "legitimate interest" to use data without user consent. This is in conflict with the decision of the Norwegian DPA, as it explicitly held that "any extensive disclosure ... for marketing purposes should be based on the data subject’s consent". This "legitimate interest" shenanigans is coming up more and more often, where you have a modal with lots of options…

On some websites I get a tracking / cookie consent popup which, if I choose not to consent to everything, leaves me hanging for a _very_ long time while "saving my settings". I am talking about 30-60 seconds here. That must be deliberate to keep you from denying consent. I forgot which company it was but I immediately recognize those popups.

Oracle does this. I've had this happen the other day while trying to access some documentation.

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Post by sseneca »

dthul wrote: post #123
Vinnl wrote: post #16

> Grindr is now relying on a new consent system and alleged "legitimate interest" to use data without user consent. This is in conflict with the decision of the Norwegian DPA, as it explicitly held that "any extensive disclosure ... for marketing purposes should be based on the data subject’s consent". This "legitimate interest" shenanigans is coming up more and more often, where you have a modal with lots of options…

On some websites I get a tracking / cookie consent popup which, if I choose not to consent to everything, leaves me hanging for a _very_ long time while "saving my settings". I am talking about 30-60 seconds here. That must be deliberate to keep you from denying consent. I forgot which company it was but I immediately recognize those popups.

Is it TrustArc? I remember having a similar experience with their pop-up, for example on Oracle's website when I'm looking for Java docs: https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/

That example doesn't have the long loading times for me any more, but I'm almost certain it was the TrustArc pop-up.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by xxs »

yarcob wrote: post #70
that_guy_iain wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EEA has all the laws and requirements of the EU but without representiation. So they have to follow the laws and rules but don't have a voice in the rules. I have no idea what the benefit of the EEA is for it's members other than political that they can say they're not in the EU but there must be some, maybe they don't need to pay in like EU members do?

There are also passport checks when you fly to Norway from other EU countries. For flights between other EU countries you generally just show the QR code on your phone. At least that was my experience, but it's been a few years since I last flew. (Except flights to UK before Brexit, I think they always required passport checks)

>passport checks ... between other EU countries

The passport checks have nothing to do with the EU, it's the Schengen treaty[0] that allows omitting that part. Norway is a part of the treaty, so is Iceland for example. Some EU countries still don't meet the criteria to join, e.g. Romania, Bulgaria. Ireland and the UK are/were outside (voluntarily) of the treaty as well - which is one of the weirdest parts of the Brexit with the UK actually checking its own borders more than most of the rest of the EU.

For example traveling from Poland to Norway by car (and ferry Tallinn - Helsinki) requires zero passport/id card checks. (id cards are a valid traveling document within the EU and Schengen)

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

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