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Re: Introducing Open Web Docs

#31

Post by input_sh »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #23
input_sh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a small Coil, who you've probably never heard of before, donated 40% of Google's/Microsoft's amount ($100k). That's pennies to Google/Microsoft. For Coil.com on the other hand... For the unaware, Coil is a subscription service that you pay a certain amount to, and that amount gets spread through websites you visit that have a WebMonetization tag in the element: Pretty cool initiative. My personal website earned a…

so did they actually donate or did they pay the monetization amount that their algorithm determined MDN should have?

Click on the parent link, filter by $5k or more, scroll to the bottom. They actually donated. MDN doesn't seem to have that meta tag.

Re: Introducing Open Web Docs

#32

Post by tleb_ »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #23
input_sh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a small Coil, who you've probably never heard of before, donated 40% of Google's/Microsoft's amount ($100k). That's pennies to Google/Microsoft. For Coil.com on the other hand... For the unaware, Coil is a subscription service that you pay a certain amount to, and that amount gets spread through websites you visit that have a WebMonetization tag in the element: Pretty cool initiative. My personal website earned a…

so did they actually donate or did they pay the monetization amount that their algorithm determined MDN should have?

Not sure if this is ironical. Either way, it is a donation as the MDN pages do not have a tag and the payment wouldn't go through OpenCollective which does not seem to support Web Monetization.

Re: Introducing Open Web Docs

#33

Post by gnomewascool »

franciscop wrote: post #30

It retracts from the credibility of a documentation platform that the blog post announcing it makes one of the most basic mistakes of writing text online; line length should be kept to 60-80 characters to make it readable. It can be stretched a bit up to 100 chars depending on font-size, line-height, etc, but this blog post features a whooping 163!

> that the blog post announcing it makes one of the most basic mistakes of writing text online

Your comment is a valid criticism of the Open Collective website (if you at all feel like it, please send it directly to them — see the bottom of the webpage), but it's not the fault of the "Open Web Docs" project. They probably have little more influence on the design of the website than somebody using indiegogo, patreon or kickstarter has on the respective platforms.

Re: Introducing Open Web Docs

#34

Post by StavrosK »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #23
input_sh wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a small Coil, who you've probably never heard of before, donated 40% of Google's/Microsoft's amount ($100k). That's pennies to Google/Microsoft. For Coil.com on the other hand... For the unaware, Coil is a subscription service that you pay a certain amount to, and that amount gets spread through websites you visit that have a WebMonetization tag in the element: Pretty cool initiative. My personal website earned a…

so did they actually donate or did they pay the monetization amount that their algorithm determined MDN should have?

Pretty sure they donated, no need to doubt the donation like that.

Re: Introducing Open Web Docs

#35

Post by input_sh »

efferifick wrote: post #24
initplus wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, committing 100k to this is probably a more effective marketing spend than many...

Well... this is how I just found out about them. I find coil very interesting! Strongly thinking about becoming a member, but I would like to find out if the websites I follow use the web monetization tag first.

As far as I'm aware, there are two ways of discovering that:

1. Start a one month subscription and browse your websites. The add-on changes colour depending on whether the current site is monetized or not.

2. Try to find them here: https://coil.com/explore. If you click on "blogs", there's a search bar that you can use.

There's also a Twitter bot that tracks how many websites have it (https://twitter.com/WebMotized). Currently at 1400, with about a dozen of sites added weekly.

Re: Introducing Open Web Docs

#36

Post by StavrosK »

input_sh wrote: post #18
arrayjumper wrote: post #4

Wow, was checking out the transactions at https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs/transactions?offset... and I see that Google and Microsoft have collectively contributed $500k. Happy to see that there is corporate sponsorship for this. Gives me some hope that this will allow MDN to outlast any eventuality that might befall Mozilla.

And a small Coil, who you've probably never heard of before, donated 40% of Google's/Microsoft's amount ($100k). That's pennies to Google/Microsoft. For Coil.com on the other hand... For the unaware, Coil is a subscription service that you pay a certain amount to, and that amount gets spread through websites you visit that have a WebMonetization tag in the element: Pretty cool initiative. My personal website earned a…

Same here, I tried it and liked it. I've made a few dollars too, it's early days but it looks very promising. I especially like the fact that the site can know you're paying an unlock articles, hide ads, etc for you, even though you're paying a few pennies per minute.

Re: Introducing Open Web Docs

#37

Post by ecmascript »

Great stuff but honestly I think this is a mistake:

> Q: Is this a new docs platform?

> A: No, we are working closely together with existing platforms, and our current priority is contributions to MDN Web Docs.

The web needs another platform for this, Mozilla can't be trusted.

Re: Introducing Open Web Docs

#38

Post by franciscop »

gnomewascool wrote: post #33
franciscop wrote: post #30

It retracts from the credibility of a documentation platform that the blog post announcing it makes one of the most basic mistakes of writing text online; line length should be kept to 60-80 characters to make it readable. It can be stretched a bit up to 100 chars depending on font-size, line-height, etc, but this blog post features a whooping 163!

> that the blog post announcing it makes one of the most basic mistakes of writing text online Your comment is a valid criticism of the Open Collective website (if you at all feel like it, please send it directly to them — see the bottom of the webpage), but it's not the fault of the "Open Web Docs" project. They probably have little more influence on the design of the website than somebody using indiegogo, patreon o…

From the wording, naming and UI I thought that Open Collective itself was introducing this project!

Re: Introducing Open Web Docs

#39

Post by callahad »

ecmascript wrote: post #37

Great stuff but honestly I think this is a mistake: > Q: Is this a new docs platform? > A: No, we are working closely together with existing platforms, and our current priority is contributions to MDN Web Docs. The web needs another platform for this, Mozilla can't be trusted.

> The web needs another platform for this, Mozilla can't be trusted.

You don't have to trust Mozilla. All written MDN content is licensed as CC-BY-SA-2.5, and all code snippets are either CC0 or, for snippets over a decade old, MIT.

And it's all in Git: https://github.com/mdn/content

So if the Web as a whole ever completely loses faith in Mozilla's ability to sustain the MDN platform, all of the content is licensed in such a way as to make it trivial to fork.

There was even an attempt at spinning out the docs ~8 years ago (https://webplatform.org/), which ultimately collapsed back into MDN.

Re: Introducing Open Web Docs

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Post by mike-cardwell »

input_sh wrote: post #18
arrayjumper wrote: post #4

Wow, was checking out the transactions at https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs/transactions?offset... and I see that Google and Microsoft have collectively contributed $500k. Happy to see that there is corporate sponsorship for this. Gives me some hope that this will allow MDN to outlast any eventuality that might befall Mozilla.

And a small Coil, who you've probably never heard of before, donated 40% of Google's/Microsoft's amount ($100k). That's pennies to Google/Microsoft. For Coil.com on the other hand... For the unaware, Coil is a subscription service that you pay a certain amount to, and that amount gets spread through websites you visit that have a WebMonetization tag in the element: Pretty cool initiative. My personal website earned a…

I've come across this before. In order to receive money, I should just be able to put:
Or similar, on my website.

Doesn't work that way though. I have to sign up with somebody like coil.com and put an address they give me on my websites. This is just worse. Much much worse than it needs to be.

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