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Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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I hope whatever happens with these lawsuits it chills the baseless accusations of voter fraud used to undermine voter confidence in our democracy

Yes, it's baseless allegations of collusion with Russia that we accept as the reason for undermining confidence in our democracy.

Because it's not baseless?

Trump colluded with Russia

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Instead of filing massive law suits, why doesn't Dominion attempt to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that the machines were _not_ biased with technical evidence. I feel that open sourcing their code would definitely do the trick. It is kinda baffling that something as important as an election is ran on closed-source proprietary codebase.

There were manual recounts that returned the same results.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Instead of filing massive law suits, why doesn't Dominion attempt to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that the machines were _not_ biased with technical evidence. I feel that open sourcing their code would definitely do the trick. It is kinda baffling that something as important as an election is ran on closed-source proprietary codebase.

> Instead of filing massive law suits, why doesn't Dominion attempt to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that the machines were _not_ biased with technical evidence. Why would their code matter? Far more important than the code is the paper ballot audit trail their machines produce. And that audit trail has been audited by multiple states, run by both Republicans and Democrats, after the election and found to be fl…

It's also quite interesting that Democrats have tried multiple times in the past two Congresses to provide for election security laws, with mandatory paper ballots AND standard auditing, and yet Republicans refused to bring any of those bills to the floor in the Senate.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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post #376

Instead of filing massive law suits, why doesn't Dominion attempt to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that the machines were _not_ biased with technical evidence. I feel that open sourcing their code would definitely do the trick. It is kinda baffling that something as important as an election is ran on closed-source proprietary codebase.

And you think open-sourcing it would calm down the claims, and they wouldn't claim exactly the same + "well of course they didn't use the software they gave us the code for"?

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Ken White has been talking about the potential for this suit for a couple weeks now. He spends a lot of time talking about what isn't defamation --- people use defamation suits and threats thereof to chill free speech, and he's a 1st Amendment guy --- but the Dominion cases are apparently examples of very serious defamation cases. The core of defamation is (1) a false statement of purported fact that (2) causes damag…

Its been fun to watch. And really fun to watch the crazy news guys who had to lay out to their viewers they were lying to them in order to avoid more actions by Dominion.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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I'm curious why open source voting software and hardware isn't universally required.

We don't know what's in Dominion's source. The code should be open sourced. The binary that's being used should have a checksum that can be easily checked by an election monitor.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since I voted in Georgia on these machines, the process is the following: - get ID validated & ability to vote - get an initialized smart card - insert in polling machine, fill out stuff - submit, get printout from printer - scan printout into a machine - return smart card At the polling places I was at (we had a runoff), the staff + signage was emphasizing to check results on printout. The printing and the scanning…

This isn't how mail-in ballots work, though. For mail-in ballots, a hand-filled ballot is scanned, and if there's a discrepancy it gets corrected then re-printed by an official in a process called adjudication. This is supposed to be done in front of an observer from both parties so security checks like signature matching can be performed, which was not done as evidenced in the Fulton county video footage. Mail-in vo…

Why are you talking about mail-in ballots in a thread about Dominion Voting Systems?

Mail-in ballots work the same way they have since 1864. You fill out a paper ballot and mail it back.

> Biden only won 16% of counties. Only a few key counties need to be targeted to flip a national election.

16% of counties - when more than half the US population lives in just 4.6% of the counties. Remember that many counties are nearly empty and have few voters. Due to the rural/urban political divide, sparsely populated rural counties typically vote for the GOP in recent elections while densely populated suburbs and cities lean more towards the Democrats.

Biden’s numbers in general were similar to Hillary’s in 2016, but he gained ground in the suburbs due to white educated voters fleeing from Trump after the last 4 years. There is no indication that a “few key counties” were targeted - the shift was seen in all 50 states. Compare Texas suburban county votes in 2016 to 2020.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If he himself was sold by the (false) facts he received from others, he is a more difficult defamation target. A skilled liar would never for a moment reveal that they did not truly believe what they were saying, not even in private correspondence. Even in typical, not overtly evil companies, the saying "write for the subpoena" is passed around as advice for would-be upfront communicators. Still, if criminals never…

Giuliani made absolutely sure that courts understood that he was NOT alleging fraud in the lawsuits he filed and took part in because he was afraid that he would be sanctioned or disbarred for such actions. Powell and Wood relied on donations for their work and Wood in particular is a multi-millionaire many times over for some of the corporate work he's done. I'm sure Rudy is rich, mostly from the speech circuit post…

Rudy is “rich enough” that he can do what he does for ideological and/or narcissistic reasons alone. He could have been living a posh retirement years ago holding court and getting blotto everyday with other a-holes, but no, he doesn’t know when to stop.

Giuliani deserves whatever is coming to him.

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