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Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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before donald trump was ever in office, i always believed that these voting machines are complete bullshit. our entire voting system is bullshit. and it would be easy to fix. these machines have been shown to be massively flawed and vulnerable to hacking/tinkering. again, this was my opinion before donald trump was elected.

What are these based on? Are these just opinions?

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#22

before donald trump was ever in office, i always believed that these voting machines are complete bullshit. our entire voting system is bullshit. and it would be easy to fix. these machines have been shown to be massively flawed and vulnerable to hacking/tinkering. again, this was my opinion before donald trump was elected.

lots of dodgyness. ppl's judgement clouded by orange man bad.

why does a municipal voting machine need a weighted race function?

how is chain of custody maintained re usb keys?

why are ballot images not being retained (happened in massachusetts r senate primary)

why do they run on windows 10? lol

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d be much more worried about the absolutely insane nonsense that Giuliani and his ilk have been spewing. That is far more damaging to voting machine research than this lawsuit.

As long as potentially hackable voting machines are used in elections, the anxiety about hacking will be there and will eventually be exploited by politicians. If we want to fix the issue, we really just need to move back to hand counting paper ballots.

Dominion voting machines leave an auditable paper trail and thus do support hand-counting of paper ballots, which was done as part of the recounts in disputed states. No discrepancies beyond the margin of error of hand counting were found in those recounts vs the electronically reported results.

You can see how they work in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9BDiO3JGTs

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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before donald trump was ever in office, i always believed that these voting machines are complete bullshit. our entire voting system is bullshit. and it would be easy to fix. these machines have been shown to be massively flawed and vulnerable to hacking/tinkering. again, this was my opinion before donald trump was elected.

Does that have something to do with the article / lawsuit though?

The lawsuit is about claims that are straight BS...

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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I sincerely hope that whatever happens with these lawsuits doesn't chill the speech of actual voting machine security research.

I think you have to be outside of America to have this perspective now, it's too drowned out inside to make sense to anyone who can only read it through the American lens. I would be less concerned with any particular legal case though, and more concerned with the chilling effects of American political culture itself. By its very nature, any supposedly disinterested researcher will now be viewed with intense suspicion.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d be much more worried about the absolutely insane nonsense that Giuliani and his ilk have been spewing. That is far more damaging to voting machine research than this lawsuit.

As long as potentially hackable voting machines are used in elections, the anxiety about hacking will be there and will eventually be exploited by politicians. If we want to fix the issue, we really just need to move back to hand counting paper ballots.

Yes, this election was the most secure due to the paper trail that mail-in ballots provide. I would trust that more than the bits of a closed, black voting box

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d be much more worried about the absolutely insane nonsense that Giuliani and his ilk have been spewing. That is far more damaging to voting machine research than this lawsuit.

As long as potentially hackable voting machines are used in elections, the anxiety about hacking will be there and will eventually be exploited by politicians. If we want to fix the issue, we really just need to move back to hand counting paper ballots.

That doesn't give anyone the right to say baseless claims and present them as facts on front of millions of people.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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post #12

I sincerely hope that whatever happens with these lawsuits doesn't chill the speech of actual voting machine security research.

Researchers usually have well research and evidence to back their claims which wouldn't put them at risk like Giuliani. Giuliani has also repeated these claims that have so far been unsubstantiated repeatedly even after being asked to retract them. There is some willful level malice implied in this lawsuit that is I think is not applicable to security researchers so I'm personally not worried but I do get the general…

And researchers aren't usually operating under the delusionally optimistic assumption that they'll get $20,000 per day and a presidential pardon for their work.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#29

before donald trump was ever in office, i always believed that these voting machines are complete bullshit. our entire voting system is bullshit. and it would be easy to fix. these machines have been shown to be massively flawed and vulnerable to hacking/tinkering. again, this was my opinion before donald trump was elected.

In a climate such as this it feels incredibly hard to get a nuanced understanding of the reliability of voting machines. That feels very problematic.
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