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Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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I sincerely hope that whatever happens with these lawsuits doesn't chill the speech of actual voting machine security research.

I’m reminded of an xkcd alt text, “ There are lots of very smart people doing fascinating work on cryptographic voting protocols. We should be funding and encouraging them, and doing all our elections with paper ballots until everyone currently working in that field has retired.”

https://xkcd.com/2030/

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#12

I sincerely hope that whatever happens with these lawsuits doesn't chill the speech of actual voting machine security research.

Researchers usually have well research and evidence to back their claims which wouldn't put them at risk like Giuliani. Giuliani has also repeated these claims that have so far been unsubstantiated repeatedly even after being asked to retract them. There is some willful level malice implied in this lawsuit that is I think is not applicable to security researchers so I'm personally not worried but I do get the general sentiment whenever libel laws are brought up.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#13

I sincerely hope that whatever happens with these lawsuits doesn't chill the speech of actual voting machine security research.

Why would it? Voting machine research isn't at issue in this case. What you're concerned about would require a change in law, if not the Constitution.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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before donald trump was ever in office, i always believed that these voting machines are complete bullshit. our entire voting system is bullshit. and it would be easy to fix. these machines have been shown to be massively flawed and vulnerable to hacking/tinkering. again, this was my opinion before donald trump was elected.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d be much more worried about the absolutely insane nonsense that Giuliani and his ilk have been spewing. That is far more damaging to voting machine research than this lawsuit.

Wasn’t that the kraken thing that Giuliani wasn’t really involved with?

The claims Giuliani made against Dominion and it's voting equipment is verbose in articles related to this topic, as well as the case filing.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#16

I sincerely hope that whatever happens with these lawsuits doesn't chill the speech of actual voting machine security research.

>These pieces rely on discredited sources who have peddled debunked theories about Dominion's supposed ties to Venezuela, fraud on Dominion's machines that resulted in massive vote switching or weighted votes, and other claims falsely stating that there is credible evidence that Dominion acted fraudulently

That's Dominion's statement. They're describing a pretty exceptional situation / distant from what I would think of as security research.

Obviously that's not a legally binding statement or anything but I think that at least illustrates what this situation is about.

This isn't a case of someone being mistaken or putting forth a good faith concern about security.

These accusations are based in nothing at all, disproven, and Giuliani and others just kept at it.

Researchers usually have actual evidence for concerns and so forth. And their motivations usually really is security.

This situation with Giuliani and actual security research seem completely disconnected.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#17

I sincerely hope that whatever happens with these lawsuits doesn't chill the speech of actual voting machine security research.

I’m reminded of an xkcd alt text, “ There are lots of very smart people doing fascinating work on cryptographic voting protocols. We should be funding and encouraging them, and doing all our elections with paper ballots until everyone currently working in that field has retired.” https://xkcd.com/2030/

Good thing Dominion voting machines do leave an auditable paper trail, which was hand-audited in all of these disputed states and which verified the electronically-reported results.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Unfortunately this is not a good thing for Dominion in the long term. The cult made up lies and successfully convinced a large population its real and the whole party brass is in on the scam. However this is a terrible situation for Dominion.

They are forced to sue to prove they are not in the wrong, however that will spun as choosing sides and they could be kicked out when the contract ends. For the cult, this company and the service they provide is just another cog that should be controlled and they will try to get some enabler in there.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#20

I sincerely hope that whatever happens with these lawsuits doesn't chill the speech of actual voting machine security research.

It has been fascinating to watch recent events unfold, wherein various horrible things including direct threats to democracy have happened due to people increasingly being able to just completely make up stuff, and spread it around readily and effectively on unfiltered internet mediums, and a great number of people's immediate concern is that free speech may get quelled too much which will do great harm. This here is…

That’s a story as old as time. Getting millions of people to believe a lie is not exactly an innovation.
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