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Ordering burritos from my SPARC (1992)

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Re: Ordering burritos from my SPARC (1992)

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I agree. Current day La Costeña on Middlefield is nothing to write home about.

I’d do much for one more burrito from the old school La Costeña. They were so good. La Bamba had the best meat; just a plain pollo burrito was a thing of glory, and their carnitas was transcendent. But La Costeña was where it was at if you wanted a burrito with stuff in.

Was La Bamba the place that had the very very long burrito?

Re: Ordering burritos from my SPARC (1992)

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compare this nearly 30 year old script with the absolute red hot hell of trying to order anything at all through toast,caviar,grub hub,uber eats or postmates and you'll want to check out the latest RCS and build it on X86 before the end of the day. im serious. compared to the relatively clean, coherent and transparent burrito script, the dumpster fire that constitutes modern online ordering is an unforgiveable traves…

At least here in Europe where I live, food delivery apps work really well. Never had any problems.

Re: Ordering burritos from my SPARC (1992)

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All the way back to 1843 - fascinating! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fax

This is a very cool piece of trivia. I don't think anyone would presume the fax machine predates the telephone.

I find it fascinating as a demonstration of William Gibons "the future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed" how much tech like this turns out to be much older than what people today expect. Another example would be video-telephony (a cctv-like commercial and publicly available video-telephony network operated in Germany 1936 onwards; it was "just" fixed booths at the post-offices of a few cities, but still; and the idea dated back to just a couple of years after the telephone)... Turns out you can write a lot of very prescient-sounding scifi by taking tech that already exist but isn't widely known, and positing a world where it is everywhere... (half of what people sometimes think Jules Verne "predicted" for example where things that existed in his time - including the Pantelegraph "fax" service)

Re: Ordering burritos from my SPARC (1992)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very cool piece of trivia. I don't think anyone would presume the fax machine predates the telephone.

I find it fascinating as a demonstration of William Gibons "the future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed" how much tech like this turns out to be much older than what people today expect. Another example would be video-telephony (a cctv-like commercial and publicly available video-telephony network operated in Germany 1936 onwards; it was "just" fixed booths at the post-offices of a few cities, but st…

> Turns out you can write a lot of very prescient-sounding scifi by taking tech that already exist but isn't widely known, and positing a world where it is everywhere

I think this is one reason 'Shockwave Rider' [0] from 1975 still holds up quite well today. IIRC the author (John Brunner) had people using their phones to access remote computers and didn't go into tech details of how they actually did this. When I read it more recently, it held up much better than (say) Arthur C. Clarke novels from the same era, because Clarke as a hard-SF technologist tried e.g. to predict what future gadgets might look like and how they might work.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shockwave_Rider

Re: Ordering burritos from my SPARC (1992)

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Looks like a phishing attempt to me: “download this binary to order burritos”!

There's ... no downloading involved.

He had the various binaries on his public home space, probably mounted to every machine via NFS, under his own name - and this was inside a company, so it would be his co-workers potentially using it.

That's quite a few degrees of separation from anything like a phishing attempt.

Re: Ordering burritos from my SPARC (1992)

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This brings back the memories. Another true story to add to this one. I (like many Sun cohorts) loved the burritos at La Costeña market, and we had adopted the FAX trick from Adobe. Then along came the "Distributed Objects Everywhere" project (which invented CORBA) and they wanted an example application so they created "BurritoTool" which used CORBA to find the server that was connected to the fax line, and a nice WY…

This is both an awesome story and IMHO a great example of why "scalability" and "future-proof design" and object-oriented-everything-successfully-talks-to-all-the-stuff-that-hasn't-been-written-yet are not the be all end all.

My beef: the chances that someone setting up that demo would have gone "wait, hang on, where is this actually going?" would IMO have been significantly higher in a pragmatic/imperative/monolithic design context, because that detail would have been within the scope of consideration of the application itself. CORBA just makes that sort of thing disappear into... *gestures at everything and nothing*

The whole OOP notion of normalizing components and the connections between them is just a software encoding of bureaucracy meeting the human physiological response to Dunbar's number.

It's kinda sad that "let's build the perfect object-oriented communications system" can, when squinted at from the right angle, sometimes look like The One Last Thing We Will Ever Need To Do With A Computer To Build The Good Parts Of Skynet - all we get is (for want of a better word) institutionalization instead. And as the domain-specific semantic significance of discrete pieces of information are normalized^H"abstracted" away, it becomes extremely hard to regroup that significance into that mental place where we're able to subconsciously consider and weigh things up very effectively.

I wonder what the business equivalent to OOP is?

Re: Ordering burritos from my SPARC (1992)

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compare this nearly 30 year old script with the absolute red hot hell of trying to order anything at all through toast,caviar,grub hub,uber eats or postmates and you'll want to check out the latest RCS and build it on X86 before the end of the day. im serious. compared to the relatively clean, coherent and transparent burrito script, the dumpster fire that constitutes modern online ordering is an unforgiveable traves…

It would be pretty straightforward to set up a modern-day version of this low-bloat pickup-ordering: - Simple web form with e.g. stripe integration (only paid-for orders are submitted) - Server to process orders and send to restaurant - Local computer and printer (or fax/vfax setup) at the restaurant

Could probably pair with a static CMS for photographs of the food. Delivery is, of course, a whole different problem to tackle.

Re: Ordering burritos from my SPARC (1992)

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compare this nearly 30 year old script with the absolute red hot hell of trying to order anything at all through toast,caviar,grub hub,uber eats or postmates and you'll want to check out the latest RCS and build it on X86 before the end of the day. im serious. compared to the relatively clean, coherent and transparent burrito script, the dumpster fire that constitutes modern online ordering is an unforgiveable traves…

> most of these platforms set up the virtual equivalent of a pop up tent in front of the business.

Yes, this is what I hate most about these delivery services. I hope restaurants start a union and take back control.

Re: Ordering burritos from my SPARC (1992)

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This brought me so much joy.

I love the effort that went in to an amazing UX, particularly the super-intelligent defaults (name from /etc/passwd, etc.)

How many apps today put so much thought into using the resources available to them? This is the mark of a developer who seriously cares about his work and his users.

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