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I'm seeing full remote jobs at 200k or so. I reckon I could move to a small city, live off 60k. Then retire at 40.
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If I understand what you mean I totally agree; remote work isn't good for say developers who mostly got by by being good politicians. We probably all worked with people like that. You will be judged more by your actual output than by how well you give presentations or get along with bosses. On the other hand it's terrific for people who got pushed out of the job market due to ageism or other biases. It matters less w…
Being judged by what kind of output? At my current employer it matters very much that you get stuff done. It matters to a much lesser degree whether what you got done is actually (as opposed to being perceived to be) useful or impactful.
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If you live in a small enough place where everyone is 10-15min from the office then you can easily organize the after hour events post covid. But let’s not force people to spend hundreds of hours in their cars, risking their lives and the lives of strangers just so we can have the convenience to interrupt their deep work in person. I highly recommend seeking relationships outside of work. Jobs don’t love you (back).
I have friends outside of work. I’m just saying work is also a great way to make friends for certain types of people. Not everyone lives near the office. That’s the point I’m making. I chose to live near the office (some of my coworkers chose to live further away - it is a choice, they all can afford living near the office like I have). If we start going down remote, my coworkers will move away to other states becaus…
I live only 40 min away from the office but will rent forever and never own property. Yes that’s a “choice” — a forced one given my preference to avoid an insanely long commute in one of the largest cities in the U.S.
If I could I’d work remotely and buy a house, possibly in a different city and maybe even country.
Permanent wfh would be the real amazing choice that opens so many possibilities.
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I guarantee that 29% of employees will not quit their jobs if forced to go back; that number is way to high.
Given if the alternative is that they can get a remote job elsewhere easily, why not?
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I don’t think it is. The high performers work better, but half of the rest workers are doing nothing. I’m aware of people getting canned for stuff like outsourcing themselves, accidentally having sex on an open mic, illegally exporting computers to countries with export controls, etc since COVID. Work at home is great for people with tangible outputs. I don’t want my salesmen fucking around in the office. But many wo…
I would think the fact high performers work better remote though is what will be a competitive advantage for a 100% remote company at some point in the future. I am way more productive remote and it isn't even close. While I do like the social aspect of the office, it is such overkill. To me post-COVID, the whole country is open for business. I want to join a company that values high productive remote workers and see…
I agree with this viewpoint, and (post covid) there are options for replicating at least some of the social aspects of the office.
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I have friends outside of work. I’m just saying work is also a great way to make friends for certain types of people. Not everyone lives near the office. That’s the point I’m making. I chose to live near the office (some of my coworkers chose to live further away - it is a choice, they all can afford living near the office like I have). If we start going down remote, my coworkers will move away to other states becaus…
I think saying that living away from the office is a choice is an incredibly privileged worldview. I live only 40 min away from the office but will rent forever and never own property. Yes that’s a “choice” — a forced one given my preference to avoid an insanely long commute in one of the largest cities in the U.S. If I could I’d work remotely and buy a house, possibly in a different city and maybe even country. Perm…
Even then, you have a choice. You can live with roommates or downsize your apartment to live closer to work. That’s just how it works. It’s still a choice. It’s not like there’s 0 available options for software engineers in most any major city in the US when it comes to living near work.
Permanent WFH means you’ll never see your coworkers in person. You will not live anywhere near each other. Again, if you have no interest in seeing the people you work with then fine. But for those of us who like to create bonds with our peers, who want to know everything going on in a company, and want to climb the ladder fast... it’s gonna suck. You won’t get that in a remote company unless it has a truly radical culture.
Everyone seems to forget the most important factor in this whole debate: we aren't in a "mass social experiment in working from home", we're in a "mass social experiment in working in isolation during a pandemic". They're very much not the same thing, for a whole host of reasons. Just a few examples of how they differ: * higher stress from living through a pandemic (and everything around it) gives us reason to set ou…
The decisions to become fully remote, or to go back to working from office with hybrid options will be made at a high level within companies - and which is better for the company is really the question. I speculate most go hybrid and it will just be time until there is a quorum of work from office people.
Before the pandemic, many people who could have and perhaps even wanted to work from home didn't because that would mean they are missing something at work. Imagine scenarios where people who are working in office are having a virtual conference with a remote employee, then when the call is hung up they don't stop talking or working on the problem. Decisions or tweaks are made in office after the official meeting and remote workers have less say unless they have a hell of a backbone.
One of our better developers committed suicide over the summer. He told me days earlier that work from home was not for him and that he missed going out after work. We planned an outdoor outing for the next week but he was gone by then. One time when I went into office over the summer another co-worker was there, in tears, and said "I'm not a homebody". Personally, I'm handling it a little better and didn't realize how bad it is for some, but even I'd surely quit if I'm not allowed to go into office if this ends. I'll solve my problem with working from home by getting a different job. How many employees will companies lose if they go fully remote over having a hybrid option?
My guess is that remote only companies and work from office only companies will lose more headcount than hybrid; therefore, hybrid is likely the goto. A bunch of workers working in office have a competitive advantage over remote workers; therefor, you go to work to compete. End result is a hybrid model that leans heavily towards work from office.
I'm a 99% of success is showing up kind of person and I really liked it when I worked 9-6pm in office, nobody bugged me when I was working, nobody bugged me after hours. Now people who are Away all day bug me at 7pm and passive aggressively ask "Are you working today?" I want to respond "Yeah, I worked 10 hours today, bozo! What about you?" Don't get me started on the pings, ping ping ping ping. People used to see you are working and give you time but now they just ping to their hearts content and even being in DND does not stop them from @'ing you several times in a room full of 50 people.
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GitLab seems to be doing ok, and they get together in person only once every 8 or 9 months. Or would you consider that hybrid also?
One off examples don't set the trend. For example, holacracy seems to be working out for Valve but that's about it.
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> employees desire ~45% of days to be WFH. What I found surprising about this survey is that most people wanted to split their week between the home and the office (according to Figure 3). Only 24% wanted to work never or rarely at home; 27% wanted to work always at home; and 49% wanted to work a split week. That's very different from what most people appear to comment.
Couple of reasons behind that: 1) You dont want to miss out the opportunities that you get from f2f contacts 2) You don't want endless office interruptions when you have work to do Seems that a WHF arrangement with dedicated meeting days offers the best from both worlds.
#2 also goes the other way - you don't want endless home interruptions when you have work to do (kids, deliveries, significant others)