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Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by tyleo »

convery wrote: post #217
tyleo wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The activity at the Capitol clearly went beyond the bounds of what I’d call a protest. Furthermore, as a resident in an area which saw destruction by left-leaning groups, I believe those individuals should also be prosecuted. I don’t think this has anything to do with “right” or “left”, it has to do with illegally breaking into the Capitol, especially while congress was present. A group of left leaning trespassers wo…

There were estimates upwards of 300K people there to peacefully protest, that some people decided to enter the building does not negate the protesting. Even if social media calls for the arrest and ostracisation of everyone within a 5 mile radius.

I think you should back that claim up with data. 200K people were at The Women’s March in 2017 which is thought to be the largest US protest: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/0...

Regardless, I stand by my words, “the activity at the Capitol clearly went beyond the bounds of what I’d call a protest.” I have less concern about what people outside of the Capitol were doing.

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Post by zaroth »

loteck wrote: post #189
hourislate wrote: post #82

All cells phones, at all times, are tracked everywhere. I'm sure there are 1000's of cameras that are also used to capture visual data (in DC area). Every person flying (domestic/international) is already tracked. MC/VISA/Bank/ATM records are tracked. Every txt, post, voice call, letter you send, package you receive, is tracked (OCR's). Your vehicle is tracked via programs like Onstar, etc, even if you don't sign up…

I'm always puzzled by posts like this. What is your purpose in posting this kind of extreme message claiming privacy is dead? Do you want people to give up on privacy and surrender themselves? Or, do you want people to be inspired to fight for more privacy? I would like to know what you intend for me as the reader to take away from this message, if you wouldn't mind clarifying.

Why should OP draw the conclusion for you? Everything they’ve said is most certainly true. You can decide what you want to do about it.

For me, it makes the “going dark” claims that the FBI likes to drum up about encryption particularly ridiculous.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by mc32 »

tyleo wrote: post #196
sam_goody wrote: post #177

The big deal here is not the technology, it is that the FBI is involved in tracking participation of a protest. For the past year we have had not-always-fully-peaceful riots with many deaths and tremendous amount of property loss. Through all this, the FBI never breathed down the neck of the protestors- not even those who could have been actually committing a crime. Most of the people who went to DC did so peacefully…

The activity at the Capitol clearly went beyond the bounds of what I’d call a protest. Furthermore, as a resident in an area which saw destruction by left-leaning groups, I believe those individuals should also be prosecuted. I don’t think this has anything to do with “right” or “left”, it has to do with illegally breaking into the Capitol, especially while congress was present. A group of left leaning trespassers wo…

People who went into the Capitol building are fair game, people who were protesting outside are not. They should not be part of the dragnet.

If people committed crimes, try them, else, they should not be dragged into it.

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momeunierfr wrote: post #234

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All European visitors, I take it?

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Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by adriancr »

mc32 wrote: post #228
adriancr wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Through all this, the FBI never breathed down the neck of the protestors Someone should remind him of vietnam war protests I guess...

Surveillance in 2021 is way different than it was in the 60s.

So are police methods and brutality.

In the 60s they would just brutally beat and imprison everyone at the protests directly.

They did not need to track protesters afterwards, they were already in jail or hospital.

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Post by heylook »

caseysoftware wrote: post #87
stonecraftwolf wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you failed at crime doesn’t mean you didn’t commit a crime. Attempted murder is still a thing. And I think you should probably read more about what actually happened. The initial photos were of idiots in horns and face paint and that has colored the public perception of what happened, but the clownshow gave cover to a smaller number of organized militia types compromised of former and active duty militar…

> a smaller number of organized militia types compromised of former and active duty military and law enforcement I haven't seen anything about this. Can you share a link - especially pictures or video? I'd love to learn more. Thanks.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-capitol-arrests...

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by tyleo »

mc32 wrote: post #233
tyleo wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The activity at the Capitol clearly went beyond the bounds of what I’d call a protest. Furthermore, as a resident in an area which saw destruction by left-leaning groups, I believe those individuals should also be prosecuted. I don’t think this has anything to do with “right” or “left”, it has to do with illegally breaking into the Capitol, especially while congress was present. A group of left leaning trespassers wo…

People who went into the Capitol building are fair game, people who were protesting outside are not. They should not be part of the dragnet. If people committed crimes, try them, else, they should not be dragged into it.

As I said, “the activity at the Capitol clearly went beyond the bounds of what I’d call a protest.” I have less concern about what people outside of the Capitol were doing.

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Post by the8472 »

exporectomy wrote: post #229
simple_phrases wrote: post #121

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ML is really good at picking up anomalies, and that is scary if, say, law enforcement or prosecutors are doing dragnet surveillance for anomalies in order to drum up charges.

They already do that with their human brains. I've been stopped by the police for: - Sitting in a parked car in a suburban street for too long. - Going shopping at 2am. - Walking under a bridge at night. It's OK as long as they quickly realize you're harmless and leave you alone.

Human brains tend to be stateful, they can be talked to. And they're only deployed at small scale. AIs don't update and can be deployed at scale.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by _trampeltier »

iamacyborg wrote: post #220
_trampeltier wrote: post #202

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What do you think, most such data comes from Apps, they just ask for permission and give you no rights at all. Location data is a such business, for traffic or business. Look at this example from Thasos. The look many hours and shifts are in companys and sell the data to traders. http://thasosgroup.com/blog/thasos-data-tesla-wsj/

Just because something is being done does not mean it’s ethical. Fortunately, this is illegal in Europe.

I did not say, I think it's a good thing or it's ethical. It's just the truth. But we all accept it somehow, so Google or wherever can make us good traffic warnings. Here in Switzerland the location data is also sold by the telco companys, you have to opt out by yourself (at least by Swisscom).
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