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Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

#51

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Hey, can you move this account over to this identity provider, please? No, I can't prove I own the account, but… Hello? Hello?

Yes, it's a footgun. Don't even start using FB as an identity provider.

What do you propose instead? And before you answer, consider that many systems only let you sign in with Facebook or Google.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

#52

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FB is not a phone, it's a website that you don't have to visit.

A website containing the only copy in the world of a lot of information that Facebook has no real right to monopolise.

You're conflating monopoly with popularity. Take it up with the individuals that willingly put their information in there, nobody is forcing them to do that.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

#53

I think FB has a fundamental issue here, which is that: 1) they don't feel they can NOT police content 2) they are wayyyyy too big to police content manually 3) any AI they train to police content, is not going to be able to state clearly why a given post/account was banned, and anyway... 4) if you state objective, clear rules that are automated, it will be pretty easy to game them (e.g. using euphemisms or code word…

3 and 4 are easy - have a manual review of automatically flagged content. You get clear reasons, better resolution of false positives, and it’s not simple to game. And, in another plus, it can feed back into the AI training.

Facebook has nothing to gain from transparency. Inevitably, they are going to be inconsistent when it comes to edge cases, which will be used against them.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

#54

I think FB has a fundamental issue here, which is that: 1) they don't feel they can NOT police content 2) they are wayyyyy too big to police content manually 3) any AI they train to police content, is not going to be able to state clearly why a given post/account was banned, and anyway... 4) if you state objective, clear rules that are automated, it will be pretty easy to game them (e.g. using euphemisms or code word…

Or, perhaps, these problems are reasons why large, centralized social networks shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

#55
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This seems overly glib. Facebook’s monopoly status means it’s necessary for many people. As per the post, if this person were a small business owner, or simply not well-connected elsewhere, this could be both financially and personally devastating. As it is, he’s only protected because he has other access to business and personal pages. One company shouldn’t have this sort of arbitrary power over people’s lives.

I find the idea of Facebook being "necessary" for anyone quite spectacularly laughable. This isn't, air or water. You can live without it, and many people happily do. Facebook is about as essential as essential oils.

It's not black and white. For some, Facebook is indeed a necessity and for others, not. If you're a private individual, you're probably on the lower side of "I need Facebook" but if you're a business today, it's hard to compete with others who do have a good social media presence on Facebook and Instagram (depends on the business) if you get banned and cannot use either.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

#56

I think FB has a fundamental issue here, which is that: 1) they don't feel they can NOT police content 2) they are wayyyyy too big to police content manually 3) any AI they train to police content, is not going to be able to state clearly why a given post/account was banned, and anyway... 4) if you state objective, clear rules that are automated, it will be pretty easy to game them (e.g. using euphemisms or code word…

Or, perhaps, these problems are reasons why large, centralized social networks shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

They exist because they're popular, you can't dictate what is popular among the masses without authoritarianism.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

#58

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Or, perhaps, these problems are reasons why large, centralized social networks shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

They exist because they're popular, you can't dictate what is popular among the masses without authoritarianism.

They exist because they’re popular and because the currently successful ones acquired or strangled all of their smaller meaningful competitors using investment capital and money from first mover advantages.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Facebook is used as an identity provider. Are users allowed to continue that service when their accounts are disabled?

They can use other identity providers.

Please tell me you understand the difficulty of such an action if your attached identity to a site is inaccessible to you.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

#60

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Or, perhaps, these problems are reasons why large, centralized social networks shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

They exist because they're popular, you can't dictate what is popular among the masses without authoritarianism.

You don’t have to dictate popularity: just create legal liability frameworks that make a solution like Mastodon more appealing than a solution like Facebook or Twitter
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