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Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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Smartphones and tablets are trying pretty hard not to be general-purpose computers. iOS devices don't run arbitrary user-specified code unless hacked, and many Android devices are designed not to let the user have real admin rights (i.e. root). This seems to be getting worse, for example Google and its financial institution partners have decided that general-purpose computing and payments aren't safe together. Google…

You can use magisk to keep Google pay working on most phones still. (Works on my pixel 5)

I do use magisk. It started failing safetynet a few days ago, which I discovered as I was trying to make a payment.

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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Most of my friends are on stovepiped chat systems now. It's really annoying because chat providers have pretty much stopped providing third party APIs anymore so you have friends spread across Signal, Telegram, Whatsapp, Tencent, WeChat, iMessage, and whichever chat system Google is using this month. I seriously miss the days when all of them would be in the same app no matter what service they were connected through…

So, aside from Jabber, IRC, and the AIM TOC protocol (which was the weaker version — we used OSCAR, which was not open), we had to reverse-engineer most of the protocols, and keep up-to-date with changes. Often these services actively tried to block us, and we would spend weeks or months working around their changes. Yahoo was notorious for this. It's not entirely different than the current situation, in that regard,…

Well, sadly there's the fact that Discord has finally pulled out the official laser beams for the alternative client scene, such that Cordless recently called it quits: https://github.com/Bios-Marcel/cordless

Ripcord (https://cancel.fm/ripcord/) doesn't seem to be giving any indications that it no longer works, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (and probably for fairly large values of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ too)

My computer is generally only able to handle one Chromium-based HI I EAT ALL YOUR RAM AND GPU, so I basically treat Discord like email as a result of the no-3rd-party-app policy. Given that the Discord "app" is just Electron, it'll get in a fight with the poor thermal design of my laptop in exactly the same way on the website does.

This being said, it's very difficult for me to argue loudly against the position they're, because it's complicated.

Discord has scaled to the point where "13 year old skiddies who like pulling legs off spiders will use any alternate clients they find [which don't include anti-spam protection] to send a {server,reputation}-destroying level of spam" is having a more measurable impact than "we need to maintain equality of access". I suspect that extremely strong management vision+competence would be necessary to prioritize this - as things stand right now, it's incredibly easy to deprioritize because the vast majority of people using Discord either have minimally-viably decent machines appropriate for playing games or completing actual day jobs.

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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We as a family were able to afford an ARM computer (BBC micro) in the 80s.

That was on the rising edge of the wave of "computers are awesome and will change everyone's life". We're on the falling edge now. The problem GP refers to is this: making computers is expensive, gets cheaper with economies of scale. But economies of scale are capital-intensive, so they exist only where there's a market for it. The market for people requiring general-purpose computation is small and getting smaller,…

This doesn't really make sense. A general purpose computer isn't expensive. It's just a special purpose computer without the locks added on top.

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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Most of my friends are on stovepiped chat systems now. It's really annoying because chat providers have pretty much stopped providing third party APIs anymore so you have friends spread across Signal, Telegram, Whatsapp, Tencent, WeChat, iMessage, and whichever chat system Google is using this month. I seriously miss the days when all of them would be in the same app no matter what service they were connected through…

So, aside from Jabber, IRC, and the AIM TOC protocol (which was the weaker version — we used OSCAR, which was not open), we had to reverse-engineer most of the protocols, and keep up-to-date with changes. Often these services actively tried to block us, and we would spend weeks or months working around their changes. Yahoo was notorious for this. It's not entirely different than the current situation, in that regard,…

I guess Matrix third Party bridges come closest to that today. Relatively speaking, it is just probably significantly less popular in use

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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amusing how it is nearly always someone in the in-group making this decision, that everyone else does not need or deserve access to something but i do as a member of this group. tale as old as plato “discovering” the ideal form of government was a bunch of philosophers telling everyone else what to do.

To be in the 'in' group you could always invest the time and learn how to use computers. We're actually a pretty welcoming bunch :)

How can my kid learn if she's not allowed to have a (non-"appliance", general purpose) computer in the first place?

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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Awfully condescending opinion. How about making _general_ computing devices more accessible via UI/UX to the _general_ public? That doesn't seem like such a crazy idea.

We did, it resulted in smartphones and tablets, so what the OP is saying applies still. I would argue that's "general" computing now. They finished what the webTV started, providing a basic platform for people who had only very basic needs.

That's special purpose for the general public, the opposite of general purpose.

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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Most of my friends are on stovepiped chat systems now. It's really annoying because chat providers have pretty much stopped providing third party APIs anymore so you have friends spread across Signal, Telegram, Whatsapp, Tencent, WeChat, iMessage, and whichever chat system Google is using this month. I seriously miss the days when all of them would be in the same app no matter what service they were connected through…

> It's really annoying because chat providers have pretty much stopped providing third party APIs They never provided third party APIs. The work of developing a unified messaging client was in getting around the ways in which they tried to stop you from interfacing with their system, and responding quickly when their countermeasures updated. We haven't seen a change in the behavior of chat providers; we've seen devel…

Not true. Many protocols were open (even one of the AOL protocols), and also security basically didn't exist back then, almost everything was based on trust and obscurity.

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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Does nobody remember Pidgin? It was one of the first things a lot of people installed on their machines 15 years ago along with Firefox. We used it as an alternative client to AOL Instant Messenger and Yahoo Messenger. It used to be called GAIM.

back in the ICQ days..omg,

Re: Pidgin – A Universal Chat Client

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In a nutshell, what reason is left to prefer Pidgin over using a more modern protocol like Matrix with the Element client and bridging to legacy services as necessary? All the FAQ for Matrix offers on this point is the ability to unify ones identity across services. Anything else?

Pidgin is a client for many protocols. Matrix being one of them. I suggest you actually click on the link and scroll down to the table.

Yes, but Element is also a client for many protocols, Matrix being one of them.

Maybe then I should have asked why still use Pidgin over Element?

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