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Wild lynx could be reintroduced into Scottish Highlands

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Re: Wild lynx could be reintroduced into Scottish Highlands

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Lynx are extremely photogenic, but I can't help wondering - why? They're not endangered, they are aggressive predators, and Scotland's ecology isn't obviously in need of them. The fact that they were common half a millennium ago when the ecosystem was very different doesn't seem particularly relevant. So if this is just for tourism and/or as a vanity project and there are no solid ecological or scientific reasons, I'…

> and Scotland's ecology isn't obviously in need of them. If you've visited Scotland's countryside, you might have noticed the sweeping vistas of grassy green fields, yellow bushy marshes, and purple heather -- and a conspicuous absence of any trees. It's a very unnatural landscape, historically speaking. Scotland (along with the rest of the UK) cut down most of their old growth forests in the industrial revolution,…

"Something most be done. This is something. Therefore, this must be done." is a well-known logical fallacy.

Introducing non-native species can have unexpected consequences. Though lynxes do prey on deer, they also prey on birds and smaller mammals, which would put them in competition with Scottish wildcats, which are endangered. We can't be sure that introducing lynxes won't drive Scottish wildcats to extinction.

There are other solutions to the problem you mention. Deer can be shot and the venison sold in supermarkets and other outlets (restaurants, once COVID-19 is under control). This already happens, albeit on a small scale. Venison could also be exported but there's now a lot of extra paperwork which needs to be done now that we've left the EU.

Re: Wild lynx could be reintroduced into Scottish Highlands

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Huge opposition likely from farmers. Cool, but uphill struggle I'd say. Within a boundary? Sure.

The same debate is going over in the Pyrenees regarding reintroduction of bears. Farmers fear for their sheep (seem to be especially the case on the French side from what I've gathered) but guard dogs seem to reduce their losses tremendously. My main source of information is Steve Cracknell who's a writes about rewilding of the Pyrenees as well as hiking. I encountered his blog and twitter as part of my preparation f…

Sheep farming is pretty uneconomic in the UK, and sheep are destructive beasts so lynx reducing their numbers might be a good thing

Re: Wild lynx could be reintroduced into Scottish Highlands

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and Scotland's ecology isn't obviously in need of them. If you've visited Scotland's countryside, you might have noticed the sweeping vistas of grassy green fields, yellow bushy marshes, and purple heather -- and a conspicuous absence of any trees. It's a very unnatural landscape, historically speaking. Scotland (along with the rest of the UK) cut down most of their old growth forests in the industrial revolution,…

"Something most be done. This is something. Therefore, this must be done." is a well-known logical fallacy. Introducing non-native species can have unexpected consequences. Though lynxes do prey on deer, they also prey on birds and smaller mammals, which would put them in competition with Scottish wildcats, which are endangered. We can't be sure that introducing lynxes won't drive Scottish wildcats to extinction. The…

Lynx are native to Scotland. They're simply being reintroduced.

Re: Wild lynx could be reintroduced into Scottish Highlands

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Something most be done. This is something. Therefore, this must be done." is a well-known logical fallacy. Introducing non-native species can have unexpected consequences. Though lynxes do prey on deer, they also prey on birds and smaller mammals, which would put them in competition with Scottish wildcats, which are endangered. We can't be sure that introducing lynxes won't drive Scottish wildcats to extinction. The…

Lynx are native to Scotland. They're simply being reintroduced.

Were native. About 500 years ago. Ecosystems change. Bears and wolves were also native to Scotland once but we'd think twice about reintroducing them.

Re: Wild lynx could be reintroduced into Scottish Highlands

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Deer seem to be a problem everywhere. In the US midwest they're all over the place.

Crossbows are easy to use and don't alarm neighbors. Venison is delicious and nutritious. Butchering a deer is a fun and educational project for the whole family, and requires very little equipment: knives and a big table, plus a tree limb and some rope for the initial skinning. This is yet another problem that people could solve for themselves, if enough of them cared to do so.

> Butchering a deer is a fun and educational project for the whole family

I would find it gross and traumatic to the point where I might lose my lunch. I eat meat, but if I had to butcher my own meat I'd go vegetarian.

I like your solution though, I'm surprised that the market doesn't just solve the problem to the point where we're worried about there being too few deer - is hunting limited or is there not enough demand for venison?

Re: Wild lynx could be reintroduced into Scottish Highlands

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post #17

Humans have such a small grasp on this world... it seems most only think in terms of "now" -- Next thing you know people will be trying to reintroduce Wooly Mammoths somehow.

> Next thing you know people will be trying to reintroduce Wooly Mammoths somehow.

Yes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival_of_the_woolly_mammoth

Re: Wild lynx could be reintroduced into Scottish Highlands

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same debate is going over in the Pyrenees regarding reintroduction of bears. Farmers fear for their sheep (seem to be especially the case on the French side from what I've gathered) but guard dogs seem to reduce their losses tremendously. My main source of information is Steve Cracknell who's a writes about rewilding of the Pyrenees as well as hiking. I encountered his blog and twitter as part of my preparation f…

Sheep farming is pretty uneconomic in the UK, and sheep are destructive beasts so lynx reducing their numbers might be a good thing

> Sheep farming is pretty uneconomic in the UK

So it makes sense the farmers would be opposed to anything that may eat their tiny profit margins

Re: Wild lynx could be reintroduced into Scottish Highlands

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post #13

Lynx are extremely photogenic, but I can't help wondering - why? They're not endangered, they are aggressive predators, and Scotland's ecology isn't obviously in need of them. The fact that they were common half a millennium ago when the ecosystem was very different doesn't seem particularly relevant. So if this is just for tourism and/or as a vanity project and there are no solid ecological or scientific reasons, I'…

> and Scotland's ecology isn't obviously in need of them. If you've visited Scotland's countryside, you might have noticed the sweeping vistas of grassy green fields, yellow bushy marshes, and purple heather -- and a conspicuous absence of any trees. It's a very unnatural landscape, historically speaking. Scotland (along with the rest of the UK) cut down most of their old growth forests in the industrial revolution,…

Tanks! long winded context is the best context

Re: Wild lynx could be reintroduced into Scottish Highlands

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're not endangered, they are aggressive predators, and Scotland's ecology isn't obviously in need of them. Are you certain on that last point? https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/feb/20/deer-cull-dilem... I don't know that much about the lynx but it seems like it might be a useful ideal predator to release to help deal with deer overpopulation. They don't prey on people.

On that note, what does aggressive even mean as an adjective to a predator?

Haha, good question, but to answer: you can have black mamba aggresive, and black bear friendly. Both are fearsome predators but you can definitely say that a black mamba is way more aggresive. Unrelated, but after googling I also found capybaras to be the most friendly animals.
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