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Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by garretraziel »

headmelted wrote: post #416
darth_avocado wrote: post #151

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I am 100% in the same boat. Had a recruiter reach out to me who wanted me to leave my more than comfortable six figure SV job to do cutting edge contract work in machine learning as a lead engineer for about $50/hour. I was so amused I actually spent the time listening to their pitch and eventually told them that anything less than $200/hour wouldn't even cover my current pay + benefits. Let me know if you can do bet…

Good grief do I ever work in the wrong part of the world. I’m well established in my career (and I don’t have SV costs of living to be fair) - but anywhere even in the galaxy of $200 an hour would be life-changing for me.

I work as a Senior Software Engineer for big international corporation in the 2nd world country and $45/hour would be life-changing for me and most of the people I know.

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Post by ryanmercer »

headmelted wrote: post #416
darth_avocado wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am 100% in the same boat. Had a recruiter reach out to me who wanted me to leave my more than comfortable six figure SV job to do cutting edge contract work in machine learning as a lead engineer for about $50/hour. I was so amused I actually spent the time listening to their pitch and eventually told them that anything less than $200/hour wouldn't even cover my current pay + benefits. Let me know if you can do bet…

Good grief do I ever work in the wrong part of the world. I’m well established in my career (and I don’t have SV costs of living to be fair) - but anywhere even in the galaxy of $200 an hour would be life-changing for me.

Shoot, the $45 an hour mentioned up this chain would be life changing for me (yes, I live in the U.S.), after 15 years at my job I make 17.26 an hour. It's why this talk of $15 minimum wage mildly terrifies me, I know people need it but man, it suddenly thrusts me nearly to minimum wage (minimum wage is currently 7.25 here).

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Post by senko »

cbozeman wrote: post #171
hobofan wrote: post #115

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Damn, that whole comment section is an amazing time capsule of sentiment regarding Microsoft and other tech companies! Well worth a read.

This comment is amazing... "Microsoft recently came to my graduate school to recruit for user experience design and user experience research positions. 10 folks out of my program (about 25% of us) scored and interview. Every single one of us had no intention of working for Microsoft and joked about it intensely. Microsoft had be relegated to the realm of other boring places to do our type of work but that you intervi…

> Hard to believe Microsoft was so utterly reviled by competent people in 2007.

Combine "my way or the highway" stance of Google when it comes to tech and standards, Oracle's utter corporate ruthlessness, turn it up to eleven, and consider they had a lock-in in the entire IT market similar to how Apple now controls the iOS market, and you'll start to get sense why.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by unnouinceput »

joshstrange wrote: post #19
api wrote: post #14

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> My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. This is what happens when you're run by bean counters who don't understand your core business or industry.

In the same/similar vein it never ceases to amaze me how employers don't provide their employees with the best tools possible (within reason) to do their jobs. A company will give a developer a low/mid-range laptop/desktop pinching every penny they can then turn around any pay them a huge salary... Like do they not understand that running into RAM/CPU limits makes the developer less effective? I've had jobs where I'v…

Quote 1: "...even consider buying Macs because...crappy laptops that cost the same or more than the MBP's we all wanted but it a complete no-go."

Lemme call this BS. Apple's hardware is expensive crap compared to other. I can make at least 50% cheaper from parts desktops/laptops having the same performance.

Quote 2: "...but we were running VMs...but I was the only team member who could build/test the iOS builds because I had a Mac."

I call this another BS. My machine is running Windows as host OS. My VMs are Linux(Ubuntu and Mint)/Android(both Vm and emulators - Bluestacks an Memu)/Raspbian and MacOS (at least 10 MacOS VMs starting with Mountain Lion 12 years ago and copy/upgrade a new one every time a new MacOS was released). I can run any flavor I want and do cross-platform build at the same time.

Conclusion - you're lying.

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Post by eertami »

wikibob wrote: post #303
flyinglizard wrote: post #286

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What if I told you that, more often than not, you could do your current work and get much more money? People, especially tech people, are quite awful at extracting their full value.

Fully agree. For some reason people assume that you get paid more in order to deal with less interesting work or a worse work environment. This is completely false. You get paid more when the company values you more. The company values you more, when they make more from what you are able to contribute, on average. Highly paid engineering work environments are strongly correlated with interesting work and with good wo…

But would you rather work 40 hours per week for €100k or 4 hours a week for €50k?

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Post by cutemonster »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #288
spicybright wrote: post #207

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I genuinely feel bad for talented people that get suckered into deals like this. Obviously some do if recruiters try and do this.

I think talented people will not take it unless they're between a rock and a hard place. Sadly what this does is it attracts only the most junior or unqualified hires who (are great if you got time/budget but if not) will need to be trained by the few seniors left holding the place together. I'm not surprised Intel does this and the telecommunications side I have seen from them in Europe was rotten to the core. I hav…

I don't understand:

> A friend got poached from Intel in a cushy job

> after the first week on the new job with Intel ... he was the first to go.

He got poached from Intel or should it be by Intel? Since his new job apparently was at Intel

> Later I heard they do this all the time

Why do they do that? Sounds like a waste of time for the recruiters (and him but apparently they don't care about that)

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Post by jiggawatts »

Daho0n wrote: post #269
95014_refugee wrote: post #42

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“Losing” Keller is a net win. Hinton, OTOH, is the real deal. I had the privilege of spending some time with him and the gang back in the Nehalem days. Hinton and Keller don’t belong in the same conversation.

I smell fish. Keller is for those companies that hire him as Steve Jobs was for Apple. I can't think of a single person that is better at righting a CPU company's technical direction. I would even bet a lot on money on that he have been asked by Intel.

Steve Jobs was unpopular too with a significant portion of Apple staff, and outside of Apple too.

Something I've noticed is that many people prefer to work with pleasantly incorrect people over bluntly correct people.

This seems to have an obvious remedy: just be pleasantly correct.

Okay, now try to tell someone their "baby is ugly" in a pleasant way! It's basically impossible. Their feelings will get hurt.

The difference between people like Steve Jobs and Jim Keller versus the middle managers that got to their positions through making nice is that the former don't hesitate to call people's babies ugly. Or beautiful. Or mediocre.

They call it like it is, and some people just prefer to be lied to...

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Post by giantg2 »

HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #385
giantg2 wrote: post #218

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They value people based on 'visibility' at my place. Unfortunately, some people who get that visibility are just putting out their own fires. I had a tech lead that was not very good in my opinion, but the business and management loved him. Sometimes I think about becoming a mechanic. They make good money.

Having worked at a car dealership- don't work at one of those, at the very least. Like many established industries, being a car mechanic doesn't have too many ways up from there- you can get all the certs you want, but you'll never be management- and compensation increases are based more on tenure than anything else. If you can teach yourself and then get into a performance garage or something like that, go for it! Y…

I had a 25-30 year old Caprice and then tracked a new Camaro. I have a bit of mechanical experience with all the work that comes with those. Of course electric vehicles will be the next big thing.

I definitely would not work at a dealer or chain. Being part of a small company or your own would be great. Not moving up wouldn't be a big deal in that kind of role.

On a side note, I'm confused why everyone is obsessed with moving up. Can't people just be happy where they are? I really don't see much difference in my company between the various levels, nor is it a very big promotion at 7%.

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