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New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by rezonant »

nineteen999 wrote: post #322
batty_alex wrote: post #248

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> A big piece of career advice I have for any folks that feel like they're in dead-ends or are just getting started is that, in modern society, you should be constantly expending time and energy to ensure you're in the most personally rewarding position - the world is a cruel place where the socially awkward and introverted have a constant uphill battle to not be exploited. This was both uplifting and an apt commenta…

> It may not be as glamorous as going to stand-ups each morning I must have extremely different definition of glamorous to you.

Agreed- we don't even turn on the webcams for those

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Post by Matrixik »

joshstrange wrote: post #19
api wrote: post #14

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> My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. This is what happens when you're run by bean counters who don't understand your core business or industry.

In the same/similar vein it never ceases to amaze me how employers don't provide their employees with the best tools possible (within reason) to do their jobs. A company will give a developer a low/mid-range laptop/desktop pinching every penny they can then turn around any pay them a huge salary... Like do they not understand that running into RAM/CPU limits makes the developer less effective? I've had jobs where I'v…

Heh, when I wanted one more hard drive (for taking backups) my manager was having hours of meetings with his managers, PO and some more for half a year. At the end we did not get this hard drive. They easily spent like 20-30 more on they combined wages wasted on this meetings than this hard drive would cost...

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Post by tpxl »

ryukafalz wrote: post #133
whatshisface wrote: post #105

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We can write whatever story we want in between the details we were told... Maybe the salesman was secretly an FSB agent. Maybe he was an alien. Maybe he was Superman's alter-ego. It's not really conducive to communication to fill in the blanks like that, even though any person in someone else's work story could be one of Them walking among us... ;)

No aliens required, just sales tactics that seem to be endemic in this industry. Just about every week I comb through my inbox unsubscribing from all the companies' mailing lists that I most certainly did not subscribe to.

Sending those mails to the spam folder to reduce their reputation is a hobby of mine.

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Post by croon »

giantg2 wrote: post #148
staticautomatic wrote: post #144

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Headhunters for contract work at one FAANG company offer me $50 an hour for gigs utilizing the same skill set I’ve billed them $500 an hour for in the past.

"I’ve billed them $500 an hour for in the past" !!!...

$500/h for a one day/week contract compares to stuff like $80/h for a 6 month contract.

There are vanishingly few people getting $500/h and getting 40 hours worth of contract a week, 50 weeks a year. I don't think I've ever heard of one.

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Post by NotPavlovsDog »

headmelted wrote: post #416
darth_avocado wrote: post #151

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I am 100% in the same boat. Had a recruiter reach out to me who wanted me to leave my more than comfortable six figure SV job to do cutting edge contract work in machine learning as a lead engineer for about $50/hour. I was so amused I actually spent the time listening to their pitch and eventually told them that anything less than $200/hour wouldn't even cover my current pay + benefits. Let me know if you can do bet…

Good grief do I ever work in the wrong part of the world. I’m well established in my career (and I don’t have SV costs of living to be fair) - but anywhere even in the galaxy of $200 an hour would be life-changing for me.

I remember meeting a taxi cab driver in the US that told me about his experience coming on a tourist visa, getting married to stay and working towards starting to work as an engineer.

There are ways to move anywhere you want, and ways to get remote work at us companies, especially now, if you don't want to move. They are not easy, but they exist.

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Post by n4r9 »

_benj wrote: post #277
0xffff2 wrote: post #232

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Some people don't care so much about the money. I'm barely over the six figure mark in the bay area. I could probably make a lot more money somewhere else, but I wouldn't get to do anything nearly as interesting as my current work.

I don't think is about not caring about the money... it seems to me that the salary is just the manifestation of the value the company places in the individual, and thus a company that pays 1/3 of the industry average shows very little care for their engineers, at least in my book

The salary is the most tangible and measurable manifestation, but it's not necessarily complete. Companies can make efforts in other ways e.g. ensuring good work-life balance (which could entail hiring more people), providing allowances for mental health, parental care etc... . All these things can become relatively very valuable once the salary crosses a minimum threshold.

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Post by encom »

deergomoo wrote: post #413
cccc4all wrote: post #299

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$200/hour rate is median for developers with in demand skills. Many companies will gladly pay this and higher rates to fill positions with qualified candidates. Software engineering and development field is extremely difficult. There are many opportunities in this field, because there are so few candidates that can do the work. HN is self selected group of people with experience in the field. But they are actually ve…

US salaries/rates are nuts. $200/hr in the UK would put you in the top 1% of earners.

A 200USD/hr person would make before lunch, what I get paid in a month. This thread makes me want to kill myself.

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Post by js8 »

fermienrico wrote: post #153
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

Ex-Intel perspective: There is also a lot of work that needs to be done at Intel which requires mediocre engineers by the thousands. Intel does pay well to their top engineers which climb up in the ranks. The engineer working on CAD, layout, specs, RFQs, Suppliers, Equipment, etc are hardly going to revolutionize anything. Their work is valuable but they’re entirely replaceable. For every top engineer, you need 20 mi…

> The engineer working on CAD, layout, specs, RFQs, Suppliers, Equipment, etc are hardly going to revolutionize anything. Their work is valuable but they’re entirely replaceable.

I think this is a very elitist mindset that unfortunately many people have.

To me engineering is primarily a learning process on how to build better tools. And you can probably always build a more suitable tool on top of existing tool.

So saying, this is "boring work", that requires "just minions" is akin to saying that the existing tools cannot be improved, or people who use these tools cannot figure out a way to improve them themselves, they need to be told by somebody.

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Post by unnouinceput »

ivalm wrote: post #342
varjag wrote: post #275

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$45 is well beyond a median ex-USSR freelancer, although there have to be outliers.

$50/hr for Ukrainian/Russian dev on upwork is reasonable. Ofc they make less since upwork takes a cut.

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Post by NotPavlovsDog »

darth_avocado wrote: post #151
UncleOxidant wrote: post #81

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I've been approached by headhunters for contract work at Intel. They want all kinds of machine learning knowledge & experience and the pay is.... $45/hr. I kid you not. I just sort of laugh and tell them that that's about 1/3 of market rate for that kind of thing.

I am 100% in the same boat. Had a recruiter reach out to me who wanted me to leave my more than comfortable six figure SV job to do cutting edge contract work in machine learning as a lead engineer for about $50/hour. I was so amused I actually spent the time listening to their pitch and eventually told them that anything less than $200/hour wouldn't even cover my current pay + benefits. Let me know if you can do bet…

It's one of the (dirty?) pleasures in the work-life, isn't it? I still treasure getting to the stage in my life when I could afford to stop saying what my salary expectation was outside of "fair in relation to the market and my experience".

Recruiter H/R: "We need to hear your salary requirements to move forward with this position".

me: "I would like to hear your offer".

Recruiter / HR: "We won't be able to consider your candidacy without your salary expectations"

Me: "Then, despite my interest in this outstanding company, and the high value I believe I can contribute to it, I will be forced to go with the employers that make a salary offer first".

Best fuck I ever had.

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