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The platforms have acted, raising hard questions about technology and democracy

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Re: The platforms have acted, raising hard questions about technology and democracy

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There's a name for a economic structure where corporations are privately owned, but operate in alignment with the governments political agenda and goals. Perhaps out of coercion, or perhaps just trying to avoid scrutiny.

Corporatism?

Italian Fascism.

Re: The platforms have acted, raising hard questions about technology and democracy

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It doesn’t matter who wins, they’re united on that point. They’ve seen the power of the platforms to filter the information people get and the willingness of the folks who control it to put a thumb on the scale in favor of Democrats.

No. Conservative thought absolutely rofltstomps on Facebook and is all over Twitter, which was, until a few days ago and by his own choice Trump's most important media venue. Conservative thought is so prevalent on Youtube that people post videos of the insane PragerU stuff their 8 year olds get recommended after watching a video or two. There's really only two things that have reliably gotten people booted from any…

This kind of comment suggests that you are completely devoid of conservative perspective. When people respond to complaints of biased moderation by saying that social media is full of conservatives, they haven't heard the complaint. The fact that you call PragerU "insane" seems to further support that.

Even though I find that it's rare for folks on the left to understand what's happening on the right, I'm surprised that even you are so misinformed about what gets people booted. Appeals to violence and "KKK-grade bigotry" are not what these complaints are about, and don't even approach the correct universe in describing the types of folks getting moderated (although hate speech should be allowed IMO). Not only that, but twitter is chock full of appeals to violence, which, as long as it's directed at conservatives, has remarkable staying power compared to anything directed elsewhere.

It's worth watching some of the opposing folks that you've been taught to hate once in a while, even if just to keep abreast of the concerns being discussed. Otherwise, all you get are the distorted caricatures of the fringes.

Re: The platforms have acted, raising hard questions about technology and democracy

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I think people who want to talk to each other should be able to do it without my listening or interfering, even if they're planning violence against me. Don't get me wrong, I do want to be defended from violence! But not at all costs. I don't want people to be tortured in the name of defending me, and I don't want every conversation on the internet to be monitored and censored in the name of defending me. That's too…

They could still do that - just not on platforms who don't want to support people rallying violence against others; it's not smart to build a palace on potential "enemy" territory - or on land of those that may not agree with you - although understandable if they do out of ease, when there's technological convenience to do so.

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Re: The platforms have acted, raising hard questions about technology and democracy

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They could still do that - just not on platforms who don't want to support people rallying violence against others; it's not smart to build a palace on potential "enemy" territory - or on land of those that may not agree with you - although understandable if they do out of ease, when there's technological convenience to do so.

To highlight the difference: there is a difference between forcing, compelling people to allow incitement of violence on all platforms vs. the government allowing free speech on private platforms that want to allow it; if I don't want you being racist in my house, you're going to find yourself outside of my house; this is akin to private platforms online - you wouldn't want to be forced to have a racist in your home…

I think people who want to talk to each other should be able to talk, even if others are against. But currently all "land" on the internet is privately owned, and people who disagree with landowners are told to "buy their own land". That's unjust, you wouldn't advocate that in physical reality. People should simply be free to talk. Either create "public land" on the internet, or force "private land" to allow everyone to talk.

Re: The platforms have acted, raising hard questions about technology and democracy

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After WWII when the Soviets took control of nations like Poland, they didn't flat out ban free speech. But they did make sure only the communist-aligned outlets had unlimited access to paper. Like so many censorship-happy people today, the USSR could also say that the government wasn't censoring speech. They were only controlling paper.

What did the government do here?

I care about the reality of free speech, not the abstract concept. It matters to me not one bit who the censors are if the end result is the same.

A handful of companies control the vast majority of discourse in the world - and there's no competition in their moderation styles. It's either time to split them up or to regulate them.

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