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DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by AshWolfy »

danans wrote: post #174
AshWolfy wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People dont like to think they are being tricked, and will actively reject truth if it contradicts what they already believe. Doing something like this can be great, but it takes time and effort, meanwhile acts of terrorism are being committed now. Most qanoners dont really believe it, and if separated from their echo chambers, will deradicalize themselves

> Most qanoners dont really believe it Not only that, for many of them it's just fun - in exactly the same way that some people find supermarket tabloids entertaining. The audience for these conspiracies is quite similar (probably overlaps) with the audience of the National Enquirer.

You should reach eichmann in jerusulem, most people who follow movements like these are just conformists like eichmann, they usually cant be convinced otherwise because they dont really believe anything at all

I know a qanoner in real life, and when i talked to him about it he denied easily provable facts, shifted goalposts, assumed i made arguments i didnt make, and now has taken to literally yelling over me so he cant hear the words im saying

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by treeman79 »

klyrs wrote: post #98
kfogel wrote: post #91

There might be a selective enforcement issue here? If it turns out that lots of the IP address space is doled out based on semi-fraudulent claims like this (assuming that Guilmette's claim is correct that DDos-Guard doesn't really have a physical Latin American presence), but the only cases where the corresponding NIC takes action is when someone complains for content-motivated reasons, then... that's biased selectiv…

Attacking the capitol building got LOTS of attention by a lot of people. It was an extremely conspicuous, highly publicized crime. So yeah, folks are looking into the people involved, and their associates. Much of enforcement relies on the public to notice and report wrongdoing.

What about taking over neighbors burning government buildings and setting up your own government?

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by [deleted] »

marmada wrote: post #114

To people who complain about deplatforming Parler, how would you feel about de-platforming a forum to recruit members for ISIS, or the Taliban? To me, Parler has equivalencies - AWS linked to calls for violence that were made on Parler - The platform was actively suppressing non-conservative viewpoints I would recommend looking at r/ParlerWatch on Reddit

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Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

AshWolfy wrote: post #167
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a pretty good start: https://www.thestreet.com/phildavis/news/a-game-designers-an... Show them the method of operation of the theory building so they can recognize it and stop participating in it.

People dont like to think they are being tricked, and will actively reject truth if it contradicts what they already believe. Doing something like this can be great, but it takes time and effort, meanwhile acts of terrorism are being committed now. Most qanoners dont really believe it, and if separated from their echo chambers, will deradicalize themselves

> People dont like to think they are being tricked, and will actively reject truth if it contradicts what they already believe.

I never liked that study because people always read it like that.

When people receive new information, they try to make it consistent with what they already believe by making the smallest possible change to the existing belief system to make them consistent.

That could be as simple as just not believing you.

This can strengthen their belief in the existing thing because they just evaluated it against some potentially conflicting new information without rejecting it.

Just not believing you doesn't work for an article like that because it's reasoning rather than facts. They have to find a hole in the logic if they want to keep their existing beliefs. So they'll come up with something like, maybe that's how it works for other conspiracy theories, but this one is real so it doesn't apply.

But now the logic is in their head, so the next time the conspiracy theory has to be reframed to match a changing reality, they notice that what's happening is consistent with the logic. It makes them doubt.

And the more information and reasoning they're exposed to which is inconsistent with the conspiracy theory, the more they doubt. It just like how the Big Lie works, but in reverse. You expose them to truth and logic over and over until they can no longer make the conspiracy theory consistent with it.

> Doing something like this can be great, but it takes time and effort, meanwhile acts of terrorism are being committed now.

"Acts of terrorism" aren't speech so as soon as they go there they go to jail. I mean they were planning it openly on Facebook, it was kind of a discredit to law enforcement that they weren't arrested for the conspiracy to begin with.

> Most qanoners dont really believe it, and if separated from their echo chambers, will deradicalize themselves

But that's why we need free speech, right? To avoid echo chambers.

Even if private censorship is allowed, that doesn't make it a good idea if it causes people to leave for some Voat-like cesspool where they won't encounter ordinary people anymore.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by wmf »

OptionX wrote: post #176

So who elected Ron Guilmette to a position whre he can police the internet over whats acceptable and what isn't? Seems like a job you kinda have to be elected or something and be accountable to do, not just one keyboard warrior nuking parts if the web because a small part of them has things he finds objectionable.

He doesn't have the power to do anything. He's just researching stuff and reporting it. Many of his complaints have been ignored BTW, so the powers that be are not just doing whatever he wants.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by wmf »

andredz wrote: post #150

> However, none of the company’s employees are listed as based in Belize, and DDoS-Guard makes no mention of the Latin American region in its map of global operations. This is the first time I have seen Belize referred to as a Latin American country; although I just checked its demographics and a little more than half of its population speaks Spanish.

Everything sound of the Rio Grande is Latin America.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by xref »

colordrops wrote: post #120
marmada wrote: post #114

To people who complain about deplatforming Parler, how would you feel about de-platforming a forum to recruit members for ISIS, or the Taliban? To me, Parler has equivalencies - AWS linked to calls for violence that were made on Parler - The platform was actively suppressing non-conservative viewpoints I would recommend looking at r/ParlerWatch on Reddit

I saw many calls for violence by the left on twitter and even worse on reddit. "Punch a nazi" applied to anyone with any hint of right leanings, "Smash starbucks", even calls for killing republican politicians. etc And there was definitely suppression of non-liberal viewpoints on many sites. I don't agree with most conservative views, but I am not so tribal and blind to irony that I think it's ok to apply different s…

None of this is happening because someone posted “punch a lib”.

Your argument is extremely disingenuous. You can read through AWS’s complaint against Parler and see some of the shocking content they refused to moderate.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by danans »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #175
danans wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can let people say whatever they want Indeed, you can let them say whatever they want. But that doesn't mean that anyone else should or should not. It's not like there aren't companies and service providers willing to host the content. > refuse to implement their proposals There are real practical limits to free speech. A "proposal" that is an incitement to organized violence is of the same kind as yelling "fir…

> But that doesn't mean that anyone else should or should not. It's not like there aren't companies and service providers willing to host the content. Isn't the service currently down? > yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim... > A "proposal" that is an incitement to organized violence But then you need not worry about what some website or service is doing b…

> Isn't the service currently down?

They are working on getting it up and running under a Russian ISP, DDos-Guard.

https://www.cnet.com/news/parler-website-is-back-online-in-l...

If sites like Gab and its ilk can figure it out, so cab Parler.

> > yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. > https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...

From that article:

"[In Brandenburg v. Ohio] the Court held that inflammatory speech--and even speech advocating violence by members of the Ku Klux Klan--is protected under the First Amendment, unless the speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action"."

> But then you need not worry about what some website or service is doing because that is illegal and the police can arrest them for it.

You don't need to worry, but the website is well within their rights to worry about what people are posting to their site and take action to limit that if they see fit.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Post by _yoqn »

StavrosK wrote: post #12

These goings-on make me very aware of the fact that I'm still not settled on the matter of free speech. I used to be very pro-free-speech, but on the other hand, I'm anti-fascism, and I don't know what's worse: Giving fascists a platform to spew hate, or set a precedent for potentially limiting my own speech down the line? It's nowhere near clear-cut, and I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

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