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DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Twitter just removed the top Antifa accounts after the last fews days of major violence in Seattle and Oregon, why not the last 4+ years? The capitol hill mob was planned on facebook, facebook didnt get deplatformed. Deplatforming new startups that try to compete by the largest tech companies shouldn't depend if the startups are in the opposite political party as the tech monopolies. Let law enforcement, courts, deal…

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Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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post #116

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> Does censorship, even if justified, fuel anger and distrust Anger and distrust are sparked, stoked and fueled far more by personalities in media and politics who actively promote them than by de-platforming. > Is it possible to bring fringe groups back into the fold of peaceful civil discourse People organizing and advocating violence are not fringe groups. The paradox of tolerance applies here: You can't extend to…

> The paradox of tolerance applies here: You can't extend tolerance to those who advocate for intolerance without destroying tolerance in the process. I don't understand how this is a paradox. You can't extend tolerance to people who commit arson and murder, or e.g. refuse to hire black people because they're black. You can let people say whatever they want, because then you can refute their arguments and refuse to i…

Yeah well just refute the arguments for the people who think democrats, hollywood, and the (((globalists))) and kidnapping and killing children to drink their blood, thatll convince them

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

#163
Its one thing for amazon to not want to do business with them. I am fine with that, nobody should have to provide hosting to people they dont like (as ling as its consistent with any cintract signed). However this feels like a bridge too far to me, and leaves a bad taste.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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> The paradox of tolerance applies here: You can't extend tolerance to those who advocate for intolerance without destroying tolerance in the process. I don't understand how this is a paradox. You can't extend tolerance to people who commit arson and murder, or e.g. refuse to hire black people because they're black. You can let people say whatever they want, because then you can refute their arguments and refuse to i…

Yeah well just refute the arguments for the people who think democrats, hollywood, and the (((globalists))) and kidnapping and killing children to drink their blood, thatll convince them

Here's a pretty good start:

https://www.thestreet.com/phildavis/news/a-game-designers-an...

Show them the method of operation of the theory building so they can recognize it and stop participating in it.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

#165
post #155

These goings-on make me very aware of the fact that I'm still not settled on the matter of free speech. I used to be very pro-free-speech, but on the other hand, I'm anti-fascism, and I don't know what's worse: Giving fascists a platform to spew hate, or set a precedent for potentially limiting my own speech down the line? It's nowhere near clear-cut, and I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

The thing with antifa (the “anti fascists”) is that their techniques are indistinguishable from fascism: If you say one thing out of line publicly, they hound you for the rest of your life. Like deplatforming, the goal is to deprive people of their right to speech. That’s fundamentally anti-democracy. Its sad that Antifa became the thing they hate; if the big internet providers follow suit, it’ll be a disaster.

I love when people say this, while on the left we are having debates about if we place too much of an emphasis on deradicalizing and rehabilitating the far right

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

#166

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Fascism is when racism becomes state policy. Nearly always accompanied by a violent dictator. The US narrowly avoided devolving into a permanent fascist state. Now people who at least support human rights and democracy are in power.

I sincerely wonder if your comments here are all inflammatory and accelerationist because you are attempting to satirize the weak arguments of so-called anti-facists.

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Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

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Yeah well just refute the arguments for the people who think democrats, hollywood, and the (((globalists))) and kidnapping and killing children to drink their blood, thatll convince them

Here's a pretty good start: https://www.thestreet.com/phildavis/news/a-game-designers-an... Show them the method of operation of the theory building so they can recognize it and stop participating in it.

People dont like to think they are being tricked, and will actively reject truth if it contradicts what they already believe.

Doing something like this can be great, but it takes time and effort, meanwhile acts of terrorism are being committed now.

Most qanoners dont really believe it, and if separated from their echo chambers, will deradicalize themselves

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

#168

If I’m understanding this correctly, this has nothing to do with deplatforming or freedom of speech. Although motivated by self interest, someone found DDoS-guard’s dirty laundry and aired it to LACNIC.

While the underlying issue is legitimate (whether or not DDoS-Guard has enough physical presence in Belize), this is undeniably targeted selective enforcement with the intent to deplatform.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

#169
post #144

This targeting of the infrastructure layer is leaving a really bad taste in mouth. I agree with the EFFs conclusion for most part here. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/01/beyond-platforms-priva... Like sure this DDOS provider may not have enough of a presence in belize anymore to hold those IPs, but it's an IP block, probably more than just Parler is using them. Also tons of companies open shell offices for domain…

This doesn't look like targeting of Parler; it looks instead like Parler further raised the notoriety of DDoS-Guard, who was improperly claiming IPv4 space from LACNIC.

Re: DDoS-Guard to forfeit internet space occupied by Parler

#170
"well why don't you go start your own Twitter if you don't like our community guidelines!". if only rage against the machine realized how ironic it is that they're supporting an establishment that "don't gotta burn the books, they just remove 'em". weird times we live in. its like living in a constant state of gaslighting.
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