Still in the app stores I see.
Does anyone here really entertain the idea that Facebook could be removed from the app store?
The stronghold it has over world politics has more power than an atomic arsenal.
Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
#932Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they're going to tell you how the police in a developed country shouldn't act as if they're expecting a war. Which gives me a bit of whiplash when I see many of those people outraged that the Capitol Police didn’t just start shooting indiscriminately into the crowd on 1/6.
> Which gives me a bit of whiplash when I see many of those people outraged that the Capitol Police didn’t just start shooting indiscriminately into the crowd on 1/6. What I've seen is mostly people pointing to that response as proving police know how to respond nonviolently to mass, even violent, protests, and therefore that the reason they choose a different stance and response when, e.g., BLM is involved is racial…
The Capitol Police retreated from most of the capitol building and only shot one rioter before eventually recapturing the building later that evening. Police responding to BLM protests shot virtually nobody and retreated from multiple police stations, some of which were either occupied for weeks or burned to the ground.
Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
#933Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not the OP, but it's the reason AWS gave: In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an AWS Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across the social network violated its terms of service. Amazon said it was unconvinced that the service’s plan to use volunteers to moderate calls for violence and hate speech would be effective. “Recently, we’ve seen a stea…
Even that does not say any planning was done on parler.
The parent post was pointing out that Parler was banned because of an ineffective to moderate content going forward (not if things were historically planned there or not).
Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
#934Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even if you are right, there is also therapy, house arrest, 24 hour monitoring, etc. Prison is not the only option by a long shot.
I strongly agree that prison isn't the only option. At the same time, I can't support the notion that Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, Dylann Roof, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should all be free men today.
Be that as it may, and maybe they shouldn’t be free. But I don’t think they should be in prison either. You can have your freedom punitively stripped away from you without being held in prison.
Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
#935Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was the Dallas shooting in 2015, murdering five and wounding many others
Not BLM. > Officials said they had found no evidence that the gunman, Micah Johnson, 25, had direct ties to any protest or political group You don't have to be part of BLM to be black and angry at cops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police...
Except it happened at a BLM protest. And in this day and age, evidently having someone commit some violent act at an event is enough to blame scores (and more) of other people at that event, and organizations associated with it. And then de-platform them, and de-monetize them, .... and generally de-humanize them. (Like the protest at the Capitol)
Also, he was a member of the New Black Panther Party:
> NBPP head Quanell X said after the shooting that Johnson had been a member of the NBPP's Houston chapter for about six months, several years before.
> Following the shooting, a national NBPP leader distanced the group from Johnson, saying that he "was not a member of" the party.
But of course, any organization with ties to him would want to cut those ties and disavow him, making themselves look clean. Do you think BLM or other organizations would want ties to such people exposed?
Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
#936Earlier quoted context omitted.
I strongly agree that prison isn't the only option. At the same time, I can't support the notion that Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, Dylann Roof, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should all be free men today.
Be that as it may, and maybe they shouldn’t be free. But I don’t think they should be in prison either. You can have your freedom punitively stripped away from you without being held in prison.
I agree they shouldn't be in prison. They should be dead. One of them is.
Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
#937Earlier quoted context omitted.
93% of the BLM protests were peaceful [1] despite protestors numbering in the millions, if not tens of millions - compared to the tens of thousands at the capitol. The most notable violence during the BLM protests was an incident where far right extremists, members of Bugaloo boys group involved in the capitol attack, used the protests as cover to murder cops [2]. To compare the two is disingenuous. [1] https://acled…
Within a few blocks of where I used to live, armed “protesters” physically seized control of a police station and city park and committed four shootings—ironically, the last of these entailed the armed “security” forces misidentifying and opening fire on two black teenagers, killing one of them.
Sounds like you're talking about Seattle. I followed the news enough to know you've misrepresented it.
Unarmed protesters wanted to protest in front of the police station. The police blocked them. The protests grew day by day because the police kept escalating to violence.
Then the police suddenly abandoned the station and the area. The protesters didn't ask for it. The mayor and police chief denied ordering it. The police just went rogue and left the protesters to figure out what to do. They never occupied the police station.
The first shooting was just outside the protest area. People who knew the victim and the suspect said it was a long running feud.
The second shooting was outside the protest area. The victim said he was attacked by white supremacists.
The third shooting was outside the protest area. The victim refused to talk to police. So no one knows who did it.
The last shooting did involve armed protesters working as security guards. It wasn't a case of mistaken identity though. The teenagers drove at the barricades minutes after erratically driving through the occupied park.
Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
#938Earlier quoted context omitted.
Qanon and friends have been talking about "the storm" for years now. January 6 was either luck and foolery or clever planning. A year ago I would have said luck but the weekend before super Tuesday last year with the centrists clearing the lane for Biden all within 36 hours convinced me there's capable skilled political actors who can orchestrate things. January 6 was perhaps the least harmful version of the storm po…
FWIW, the “storm” of QAnon is a different prophesied event, when the secret Democrat child sex trafficking ring would be exposed once and for all and the perpetrators all arrested at once, dramatically. That’s what QAnon actually believe, and if you are that deluded, storming the Capitol building in a desperate bid to ensure that Trump remains in office long enough to break up the secret Democrat child sex traffickin…
Right. I've been following the qanon phenomena for a while. My real curiosity is whether January 6 fizzled out the energy enough that it no longer becomes such a large phenomena.
I'm sure we all know a few people who have slipped into sheer lunacy down internet rabbit holes and seem to more or less be literally insane from the various wild stories.
The best I can imagine is for it to occupy the same fringe space as other wild conspiracies from the grifters like David Icke and Alex Jones.
These people will always exist in society but they should be a small enough group that we aren't forced to deal with them as a political force.
We shouldn't have to spend time, for instance, showing how Vincent Fusca isn't the secret alias of a JFK Jr faked death... it's such a waste of public engagement.
Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
#939Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like it or not, Trump is allowed to dispute the results of the election. He's also allowed to do so openly and to a crowd. Language like "will not stand down" is obviously in reference to the "fight" for his "case" and falls in line exactly with the language he had been using at previous rallies and on Twitter. Was he "inciting" a riot then? I hate that I even have to say this, because it seems childishly unnecessary…
I think we can at least agree that despite his double-speak, the fact that he has been stirring his crowd to act on the 'steal' is not inconsequential. It seems unlikely that he would not have been briefed on the plots that were being organised and the dangers of feeding this crowd that rhetoric. He has a large responsibility in inciting the level of denial that have led to his supporters to intimidate or threaten of…
> his double-speak
I'm sorry but you're no mind reader. How do you know he meant something else? There is absolutely nothing to that effect, this is the kind of "signs" that the QMorons base their crackpot theories on.
> the fact that he has been stirring his crowd to act on the 'steal' is not inconsequential
No, "stirring a crowd" is by no means incitement to anything. And accusing someone with broad accusations because what he did was "not inconsequential" is just very Kafkaesque.
> It seems unlikely that he would not have been briefed on the plots
You worked at WH? No? Well it "seems unlikely" that you don't know what kind of briefings make their way to the office of the President.
> He has a large responsibility in inciting the level of denial that have led to his supporters to intimidate or threaten officials, many from his own party no less.
"inciting a level of denial", what does that even mean? This feels like I'm reading what a neural network trained on Twitter headlines would spew on.
Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
#940In Big Tech We Trust.