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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Please don't break the site guidelines like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Dang, should there be a single meta-thread - monthly or quarterly -- where you hold a grand durbar and folks can vent their grievances, and you get some feedback from different segments?

People aren't shy about posting their grievances. Having a dedicated thread for that would just breed more of them.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Please don't do nationalistic flamewar on HN, regardless of what other people do. This is supposed to be a site for curious conversation across differences, even when the differences are deep and wide. High-indignation rhetoric makes that impossible. I've posted about this many times, including specifically on Chinese topics: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... (Also, please don't use allc…

Hi dang. I understand. It wasn't my intention to start a nationalistic flamewar, I'm just hoping to get people to understand China better so that the west and China can come together, which benefits everyone. But looking back at my comment, I can see how some of my pent-up frustration with past comments can come over as gaslighting. I'll be more mindful of this in the future.

Appreciated!

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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He warned that their society is prone to endemic corruption, that merging the worst aspects of Chinese culture with Capitalism would be a very dangerous combination. He said that China could become an economic and military rival only exceeded by the united States over the next few centuries, so he was explicitly thinking long term. This was at a time when most Westerners thought of China as an archaic, irrelevant jok…

But is there something specific to Chinese culture that he argued made them more corrupt? Because it seems to me like basically all poor countries are corrupt, that they tend to get less corrupt as they get richer (or rather, they get richer as they get less corrupt) and China in 1922 was very poor indeed.

Honestly it's very hard to tell. It's quite short. My wife is Chinese and I've spent a bit of time over there. It's hard for me to tell which aspects of cultural behaviour over there are a product of several generations of communist rule and which date back earlier. What I can say is the business environment over there is bare naked ruthless. It's always possible to make a deal, right up to the moment it isn't and then you're done. As for social order, the Chinese believe in the rule of authority, not law.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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post #311

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Dang, should there be a single meta-thread - monthly or quarterly -- where you hold a grand durbar and folks can vent their grievances, and you get some feedback from different segments?

People aren't shy about posting their grievances. Having a dedicated thread for that would just breed more of them.

thanks for replying!

If we were to have a seperate thread, then folks should absolutely not post these things in regular threads, thus leaving them cleaner and with a better tone.

they are free to reference this incident on the grievance thread. There, different downvote rules should apply of course.

There might be others who feel the same way, and therefore might upvote it. So, this way, you can get a sense of how many/deeply feel about a particular issue, and then address it suitably.

Once this particular case is addressed, then we create a link of sorts, and the next month someone brings this up, we just point to it.

I am thinking - maybe once a quarter -- to start with, and vary frequency as needed.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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> In the 50-second video, Ma, dressed in a navy pullover, spoke directly to the camera from a room with grey marble walls and a striped carpet. It was not clear from the video or the Tianmu News article where he was speaking from. Uh, resurfacing from a fancy prison cell, perhaps? Can anyone find the video? EDIT: Here's the raw video: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/13517514568277196... . If you watch his…

Yeah dude. The Chinese are so technologically advanced, that they built an AI robot that looks exactly like the real Jack Ma.

The real Jack Ma is getting his kidneys harvested right now, because apparently, that’s what the CCP does to their own citizens (according to western media).

/s

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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post #178

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Ah sorry dang! Will take heed in future.

Actually I think I read the second sentence as a snarky political jab, when on a closer look it seems to have been a neutral question, or at least that's a plausible interpretation. "So accurate that it hurts" is the sort of thing that political trolls say, and it probably triggered the pattern matching machine in my head—which sometimes misses things, especially at speed. Sorry!

Yes it was meant as an inquiry, but I could have phrased it differently, looking back and after your moderation comments.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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If Ma wanted to reappear and reassure people, not sure this would be his first choice, method, etc. It seems weirder to just pop up like this like nothing has been going on.

> like nothing has been going on

Because nothing happened. So many westerners are so brainwashed on any China related topics that conspiracy theories are accepted as fact without any sort of filtering. If you think CCP is going to make the richest man(a popular public figure no less) in China disappear overnight, you ate way too much propaganda.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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post #278

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Since you did not mention it specifically, I'll mention that term limits are suspected to be an important part of keeping a reasonable concentration of power and not having a democracy devolve into a dictatorship. On the one hand, term limits are deliberately eroded by long-running despots (primarily in some African countries so far, and increasingly elsewhere in the world lately.) On the other hand, Germany's chanse…

I suspect that term limits are less important with a parliamentary system since the head is typically somewhat less powerful than a president.

Contributing factors also include, I suspect, more independence for individual subdivisions, e.g. states in the US or Bundesländer in Germany unless I'm mistaken.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Does anyone have any book recommendations for non-chinese people to understand CCP power structures? I'm completely lost in all of this Jack Ma stuff.

The Chinese government is highly structured and in general features most of the things one might expect in a modern nation-state (an executive, a legislature, a court system, etc.) The exception, and what makes it hard to understand for outsiders, is that one of the political parties (Chinese Communist Party) is also an extra, supervisory, branch of government and sits on-top of and permeates all the regular bureaucr…

Most of what you described is generally true for autrocracies. The real interesting part of China is that usually autrocracies perform poorly as the leaders put power in front of technological advancement.

Chinese leaders though try really hard to allow tech advancements to happen, and perform quite well on the market.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Your assertion doesn't even apply in Western culture, let alone generalization across cultures you probably know nothing about. Most people would consider Elon to be eccentric, Paul Graham to not look like traditional VC, and these superficial aspects are frankly irrelevant. So why is it ok to use that to insinuate stereotypes and hand-wavy assertions of malfeasance. Perhaps for you there is no consequence, but much…

> The stereotype here is that China is associated with as some dystopian backwards society that has done no favors for its citizenry I think people are mostly just trying to figure out what is going on with one of the richest/most powerful people in the world. There's not a lot of evidence to go on, so any scrap is potentially relevant. In your view, what are the best theories for his behavior? And this isn't just an…

OP is taking scraps and extrapolating completely out of proportion. I am simply pointing out his extrapolation is out of proportion. Just because there is a lack of info doesn't mean you should make up random things and give them credence.
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